To think this is starting to look like UKIP revolution

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and apparently similar results across Europe.

Front Nationale have done particularly well in France. Guardian is reporting similar successes for far right parties in Greece and Denmark.

I am unnerved.

I think if either of the two main parties stopped using terms like 'negotiation' and quite simply outlined a realistic exit from Europe to be put to referendum vote immediate, then they would win the next election

that is what comes through to me.

I think the idea of Ed Miliband being the leader of this country is laughable but if Labour are sticking with him they have a lot more work to do.

It needs to state we will have immigration laws based on the Australian system
that we will be independent from Europe but negotiate trade unions with them where we can

This isn't what I want necessarily but its is clearly what the voting masses are saying they want and given UKIP's turn up in local elections, it is clear they want that from a mainstream party.

In an ideal world Labour would lose Miliband and offer the above.

I think it's important to remember, that of those who voted, 73% did NOT vote for UKIP! They do not represent the views of the majority of the UK.

But that will never happen nomorequotes, (see imavinalaugh's post above possibly channelling young Labour SpAds!)

The Tories are saying when they negotiate the terms of EU membership they will gain back control of our borders. But why don't they do this before 2015? they expect us to trust them and I don't so unless someone does something before 2015 election me and many other will still be voting UKIP.

Kitty I agree. Was it not also the case that UKIP's overall share of the vote had gone down at the local elections?

I think the French situation is the worrying one and as was pointed out even there they only polled 10% of the potential voters.

Sorry! I have been following threads on here and one poster I think was trying to imply or was implying that Fararge and his German wife are secret Nazi's.

Razzle people are worried about Mrs Farage? WTF? Which people?

But why don't they do this before 2015?

Its very suspicous...

Razzle. Have you a link to the reasoning about the wife

no! but if your interested in some crack pot poster just google any of the ukip threads and ...trawl.

They wont do anything before 2015 because they wont rock the campaign boat. They will blindly go on smearing shit in their wake, assuming it will have all died down by next year , but by not listening they are fanning the flames, it takes a lot to get the public riled enough to act. They have sat by and watched the NHS getting privatised, loss of public services to private companys, expenses scandals ad nauseum and barely raised a tut.
I think they need to be very very careful if they choose to dismiss this result as disaffection with the economy and try to spin it away from the EU issue. It is ALL about the EU issue and immigration, because it cant be about UKIPS policies... they have none

If the UKIP end immigration it will be terrible for me. It would mean my Polish au-pair Angelika would no longer have the pleasure of working for me and her pay would drop from the £3.50 per hour I currently pay her (cash in hand so she doesn't have to pay any tax) to £3.00 per hour in her native Poland. She would be unable to experience the pleasure of taking my gifted children Cleo and Leo to the park for some good old splashing around in the mud and puddles and cleaning them up after some delicious organic, lactose and sugar free ice cream. I hope all you Daily Mail readers are happy.

Sorry! I have been following threads on here and one poster I think was trying to imply or was implying that Fararge and his German wife are secret Nazi's.

spot on Meddie.

its so simple, why can't they grasp it, because they don't want too, because they don't care what people want or say, they are going to force us through....and hope things will die down and get better.

fanning the flames....

Well the poster was implying that all germans are secret nazis and didnt just die out with the end of the war....

Well the poster was implying that all germans are secret nazis and didnt just die out with the end of the war....

This was on MN??

Cameron's promise on the EU referendum is very carefully worded. It will o only happen if he can't negotiate a better deal and will only happen if he is PM. So it's worth nothing. Like it was worth nothing the last time. People should be a lot more worried about the move to the extreme right in Europe than they should be about UKIP.

I agree Vivien, these quick jumps to 'negotiations' and so on rather a black and white referendum are pointless, nobody is listening, everybody has turned off.

*Ed Miliband has been interviewed on BBC News. He insisted that Labour would not back a referendum, saying it was not needed unless there was a further transfer of powers to Europe.

On Nigel Farage's victory:

Of course I congratulate him on winning these elections. But questions will be asked on where they stand on things like taxation … <strong>Many people voting for Ukip are ?saying they are discontented with how politics can work</strong>.

<strong>Our job is to show we can bring the change</strong>.

I suspect that no party (including UKIP) has outlined what an 'orderly exit' would look like is because nobody knows. It's never been done. There are so many unknowns about both transition and final settlement because a lot of the variables aren't in Britain's gift. Would the UK be able to become part of a free trade area without agreeing to freedom of movement? (Unlikely given precedent.) What would happen to Britons settled in Europe? How would new fisheries boundaries and catches be agreed? Would interconnection of electricity be affected? And then there are a million democratic questions that affect people's daily lives that need to be answered.

To me, it sounds simpler and a fuckload cheaper to try to get a renegotiation, perhaps cut defence spending a bit, and bills a bunch more schools, hospitals and other infrastructure. But sure, let's spend £100m on a referendum.

I think, actually, the widespread far-right vote across Europe vastly increases the chance of a a meaningful and favourable treaty renegotiation. Even countries that don't have the issue will become focused on a desire to keep the EU together, while those countries with strong domestic sentiment will all be motivated to deal with the issue. It's not just irritating Britain making irritating demands, it's a pan-European issue.

And hopefully the biggest wakeup call will be to the Commission, particularly with a new set of Commissioners coming in.

Nomore, but doesn't the outcome of treaty renegotiations inform whether people would want to stay in or leave? It makes a change to what people are voting for.

If favourable treaty negotiations resulted in better controlled movement of workers, then wouldn't that change the way some people would vote in a referendum?

It's a bit blinkered to say negotiations are irrelevant.

How much longer do we have to wait for negotiations, what are they waiting for...

People are polarised by immigration across Europe, people are going far left or far right....

do they actually want blood shed before they re negotiate? maybe some people think its time for a third world war....

meddie, anyone that voted for UKIP because they opposed privatisation of our essential services and the amount of expense claims made would be in roughly the same position as a turkey who voted for Christmas.

I think the June council of leaders will probably be interesting. And with a new Parliament, new Commission, there's legitimacy for negotiations.

My understanding (including from what Farage has said) is that informal negotiations have begun anyway.

Id love to be a fly on the wall in Westminster right now, Theresa May heavily hinted they would be doing lots more about immigration from within the EU if it were not for the Lib Dems, how frustrating and yet they are now a total non contender party and washed up...they don't even matter any more and yet the conservatives are tied to them in a horrid twisted race!

I bet there are some tempers being lost and fists slamming on tables right now..

Hinted yes, will that transfer into any real action I doubt it. The conservatives also promised a referendum in 2009 if people voted them into power.
Glad I never held my breath over that promise.