To think this is starting to look like UKIP revolution

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and apparently similar results across Europe.

Front Nationale have done particularly well in France. Guardian is reporting similar successes for far right parties in Greece and Denmark.

I am unnerved.

You have to admit claig that this is beermat politics.

Yes, it is a fag and a pint at the moment. But the people have spoken and said that they prefer that to the PPEs with PhDs in spin. Gordon and Ed left us with the worst financial crisisi we have seen since the 1930s. We now want to see what ordinary people can do for us, people who will listen to us and give us proportional representation and referenda. UKIP is growing and new people are making new policies. We have to wait and see what their new policies are. What it comes down to is that we want people who listen to us and are "on our side".

Brilliant article by Lord Glasman, Labour's Blue Labour strategist, in the Mail on Sunday. He understands why it has come to this and he understands that it cannot go on like this. The people have sent a message, and Lord Glasman has heard it. But have the PhDs in spin heard it too?

"Labour is losing England"

"Tonight's European election results will leave no doubt as to the temper of the people of England.

Nigel Farage has benefited from a huge surge in support from the angry and disaffected, which has shaken the underpinnings of the three-party system.

This is difficult for me to accept.

However, UKIP has done us all a service in one key respect it has forced the elites to confront the flaws in our democracy ."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2638478/Labour-losing-England-In-hugely-significant-intervention-Labour-peer-Ed-Milibands-closest-mentor-issues-grim-verdict-partys-election-meltdown.html

Blimey claig PPE doesn't figure frequently on political CVs for no reason. It isn't horticulture!

'It isn't horticulture!'

Are you sure about that? It smells a bit like it.

We want Farage with a fag and a pint, rather than the tutored, trained, fastforwarded out-of-touch elite on their conveyor belt from public school to Oxford to rule over the people and trips to Brussels to learn what the latest policies they have to implement are or what the latest bin laws they have to rubberstamp are.

That is why all over Europe, there has been a people's revolution. The people have had enough.

The SW was one of the areas that had a big Liberal following. Paddy Pantsdown represented a SW Liberal seat. I have never really understood why the Liberals do so well there as the EU has killing the local fishing industry. I remember being in Padstow and seeing the trawlers flying the Canadian Maple Leaf flag in protest at something.

Two weeks ago I was in Helston. There were UKIP posters on the roadside verges and UKIP had a stand at the Floral Dance festivities and their supporters looked very enthusiastic.

In the SW James Cracknell the tower was standing for a Tory MEP seat. I didn't know he had any interest in politics. Never sen him on the TV talking politics and don't think he has any political experience so this smacks a bit of jobs for the boys to me. Anyway he didn't get in

I think the liberals may find their SW power base is crumbling away

Trust me, as a retired civil servant when I tell you there is no way the civil service will be stepping on to gill any breach. The civil service has trouble implementing policies they are given let alone identifying what needs to be done and getting on with it. It just wouldn't happen

All these PPEs never read what the people read, they never live how the people live, they never earn what the people earn. That is why they haven't got a clue. That is why UKIP re soaring in teh polls and have caused an earthquake.

The people laugh at all of this, but they have also had enough.

"Householders face being forced to recycle more after the government admitted it is falling behind European targets.

Despite years of efforts by families to meet the demands of fortnightly collections, nine-bin collections, kitchen slop buckets and other compulsory recycling schemes, recycling rates remain too low to comply with EU rules."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2491871/Families-face-recycling-blitz-hit-EU-targets-Rates-flatlined-despite-advent-multiple-bins-slop-buckets.html

What do the PPEs care? They are busy being told what is next in Brussels. But they have lost touch with people all over Europe by serving their masters and not serving the people.

'The civil service has trouble implementing policies they are given let alone identifying what needs to be done and getting on with it'

Blimey, no wonder we are in a mess. They aren't all PPEs as well are they?

Craig. It's the bleeding heart goody goody lefties that are screwing the place up. Take wind farms. Totally inefficient way of producing energy but really appeal to the green vote, while the rest of us, including pensioners and the disabled pay increased fuel costs to subsidise these ridiculous structures. As Nigel said, why should be blight our countryside with wind farms when the Chinese are opening 3 coal fired power stations each week. In this situation wind farms are even a token, they are less than a drop in the ocean. So rather than. Tackle the energy issue internationally the bleeding lefties would rather have a wind farm and make themselves feel good.
Makes me cross

Claim. If you want to see how crap the civil service currently is have a lok at the Govts Major Projects Report. That shows the currents status of all the big initiatives, including Universal Credit, HS2 etc. they are blowing bright red with risk, cost and time over runs and sheer unfounded optimism. If you want something done ask anyone but the civil service

'It's the bleeding heart goody goody lefties that are screwing the place up'

You are talking to the converted. I know that only too well. And of course, the green targets are EU targets just like nearly everything else. UKIP dared to ask the question "Who really runs this country?"

The people voted for the people to run the country, not unelected Brussels bureaucrats.

'That shows the currents status of all the big initiatives, including Universal Credit, HS2 etc. they are blowing bright red with risk, cost and time over runs and sheer unfounded optimism. If you want something done ask anyone but the civil service'

Gordon Bennett!
You have a point. I thought the civil service would sort it out for us. But it looks like UKIP are going to have to get stuck in, roll their sleeves up and sort out more than I thought they would have to.

We want Farage with a fag and a pint, rather than the tutored, trained, fastforwarded out-of-touch elite on their conveyor belt from public school to Oxford to rule over the people

What particular help is a fag and a pint?!

'What particular help is a fag and a pint?'

It is symbolic. It shows he is like us, "one of us". he is not a champagne socialist or a champagne Charlie with top hat and tails. He hasn't got a PPE, he has eaten pasties. He speaks our language, he knows how we feel, he is real.

Gawd help us.

'Gawd help us.'

That's what the people said, and then Farage appeared on the scene.

The reason why both LibLabCon like wind farms is because they can be built on the land of very rich Lib/Lab/Con donors or in-laws of politicians who benefit massively from the taxpayer for producing energy from wind farms. It is one big con, from vested interests to basically make the rich richer by take more money from everyone else.

Bless you claig you are very disarming, but you sound like a cult member.

'Bless you claig you are very disarming, but you sound like a cult member.'

I am having a laugh, but there is truth in jest.

Ok. From my first hand experience of attending UKIP meetings in my area I can say that they are a very diverse group indeed. You have quite a lot of the mustard trousers and tweed jacket brigade and their braying partners who I suspect would formally have been Tories but you also have a lot of people there that you could never imagine would ever had voted Tory - more Labour type voters. It's quite a mixed congregation, unlike the Referendum party, which was predominantly ex Tory

What does strike you immediately about the UKIP supporters is there zeal and enthusiasm. I have not seen that before

Was referendum party the James Goldsmith financed one? Did they become UKIP? The genealogy is interesting

'Local results show 'deep sense of discontent with way things run'

That is what Ed Miliband said and he is right and so is Lord Glasman. This is not some idle protest vote. People didn't turn out in their millions to vote UKIP against the advice of tehe entire media class and political class on a whim. This is about as Ed said 'deep sense of discontent with way things run'

Most of us are lazy and do other things than get involved and sort things out. We grumble, we use humour, we laugh but we don't do anything. But when this vote came along, we said we will do what little we can, we will vote UKIP and so we did.

'What does strike you immediately about the UKIP supporters is their zeal and enthusiasm'

But we owe it to those decent people described above, who actually got up off their backsides and said enough is enough. The good people of these islands who some of the champagne charlies mocked and called "fruitcakes", the good people who have caused an earthquake that may yet turn this country round.

And Lord Glasman understands the voters, he knows why we voted UKIP, he didn't call us racists, he said

UKIP has done us all a service in one key respect it has forced the elites to confront the flaws in our democracy

Democracy is wonderful, because it gives a voice to the silent majority, the millions of decent people who put up with all the crap and allows them to send a message that enough is enough.

The Referendum Party was James goldsmiths party. He was a former MEP so he knew how rotten it was. He wrote a book called The Trap that warned that we were sleepwalking into an irrevocable political union in Europe.
PTSD party broke up after the 97 election that Blair won. I was involved with the Referendum Party but I have been voting UKIP since that party was founded but I have never formally joined as a member.

It shows he is like us, "one of us". he is not a champagne socialist or a champagne Charlie with top hat and tails

I don't believe for one second he is one of us....I am not sure his fag and pint makes him one of us, and tries to make him one of us.

James Goldsmith was a formiddable character if he was still around we would be on our way to ref or already have had one.