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to be angry that Abu Hamza's wife and family have a better quality of life than my family?

159 replies

AgentPink · 21/05/2014 08:32

I know I am not being unreasonable but this is Mumsnet where the world often seems to exist in a parallel reality where right is wrong and wrong is right, however, I'm feeling pretty angry and depressed this morning and felt like having a vent and this is as good a place as any.

Me and my husband who have worked all our lives, paid loads of tax, limited our children to two (even though we would like more) because it is what we can afford from our wages, live in a shitty, small rented flat with limited security, where the kids are squashed together in one small bedroom, have a worse quality of life than Abu Hamza's wife who has never worked, had 7 children all paid for by benefits and lives in a lovely 5 bedroom, million pound council house in Shepherds Bush.

I just don't get it. How is it possible that the wife and children of someone who wanted to kill people simply because they had a different religion or were gay, hates the country and has never worked a day in her life can have a bigger, better home, security for her kids, free money etc when people who work and do everything "the right way" (i.e. live within their means, don't have more children than they can afford) have to live in total insecurity, will never be able to afford their own home, let alone a £1.25 million one provided free from the state. She will probably even have a more secure retirement than us. It's a complete joke and punch in the guts.

I'm sorry, I am just feeling really really upset by this and feel like telling my kids not to bother working hard as you will end up at the back of the queue as the least deserving.

OP posts:
ToffeeMoon · 22/05/2014 01:04

I'll do as I please, thanks all the same myrtle.

You love immigrants? What, all of them? Every last one? Even old Hook? What a ridiculous comment.

hakunafrittata · 22/05/2014 01:12

This thread is a major predictable eyeroll. Everyone knows they are benefit scrounging assholes but would do anything to avoid 'benefit bashing' to look holier than thou.

Whatever.

MyrtleDove · 22/05/2014 01:12

You can't deport someone for being a nasty person though! She may be nasty, she may be nice, we really have no idea and it's none of our business either way. She's not committed a crime.

If you hate the UK so much, why return? It makes you no better than the immigrants who 'hate' the UK surely? Why do you get to hate the UK and not others just because they are foreigners? I love my country and don't want it ruined by xenophobes like you, thanks.

And yes, I love immigrants. There may be individuals I don't like eg Abu Hamza, but immgrants as a whole bring so much to this country - certainly more than the knuckledragging xenophobic anti-immigrant lot do. It's immigrants who are working hard on minimum wage, enriching the country with different languages and cultures, making it a more diverse place to live. You may want to live in boring Little England full of Daily Fail readers, but thankfully most people realise how shit that would be.

MyrtleDove · 22/05/2014 01:14

hakuna I don't think they are scrounging. I've been on benefits and it is so hard and so awful that I'd never judge.

ToffeeMoon · 22/05/2014 01:20

Jeez, could you be any more worthy, myrtle?

Right, I'm dragging my knuckles out of this one, cba, usual predictable MN "I'm more right on than you" claptrap.

hakunafrittata · 22/05/2014 01:20

There is a difference between being anti-immigration and being anti-letting in turd nuggets like him. I know that the media likes to act like everyone else in the world is basically sent an invitaton to abuse our system, which of course isn't the case, but there are many other countries that would not tolerate this shit in the slightest, nor would I expect them to. It is nuts.

hakunafrittata · 22/05/2014 01:26

I've been on benefits too. They're still assholes.

mimishimmi · 22/05/2014 02:32

Do they rent the house or own it? If renting, any expensive renovations would surely have been paid by the owner. If they own it, perhaps they bought whilst Abu Hamza was working as a cleric and received a good wage. I've read one article where it's said they are renting it and another which said the property is in the wife's name. That could very well be the case ... many Muslim women make a significant financial contribution when it comes to establishing the family household.

Should they be receiving benefits now? How old are the children?

xvxvxvxvxvxvxvxv · 22/05/2014 08:01

YANBU

Terrorists and their legal partners should get fuck all.

Regardless of what middle class people who can buy two houses think.

It's this PC rubbish which had allowed this vile family to ponce off the state whilst plotting against us. All extremist Muslims (& other faiths) should be dealt with like the terrorists they are. Unless you all want to be living like the poor hard done by Mrs Hamza you are portraying? Forced to marry brutes and spawn devils?

Enough of this. I'd vote ukip if they weren't racist and homophobic which is exactly the same thing I hate about these Muslim terrorists.

Tryharder · 22/05/2014 08:15

YANBU.

The situation is massively unfair

Mans to the posters who claim thatir must be horrible to be married to Abu Hamza, there is no evidence that Mrs Abu Hamza does not share his beliefs. The fact that his sons have also been convicted of hate crimes shows really the joint ethos and beliefs of both parents.

She's sat on her fat arse in her luxury house and is laughing at is all. Let's face facts.

LornaGoon · 22/05/2014 08:51

Yes it is frustrating that awful people seem to do well out of the benefits systems, but it's really misdirected anger.This is a high risk family, all of them, including children and women. It is probably cheaper and more effective for police agencies to continually monitor these people in a council property, using benefits etc; it will keep them in the loop.Otherwise they might disappear off the radar, which is far more dangerous than spending money on a house etc.

Yes it's a total bitch that they seem to be 'doing all all right' but direct your anger to banks and politicians regarding your lot in life.

HecatePropylaea · 22/05/2014 08:59

Instead of moaning that an individual you don't think deserves something they are legally entitled to, is getting it, get off your arse and campaign to change a law that you feel is wrong and allows people access to things that you don't feel they should have.

We are fortunate enough to live in a country where people are perfectly free to campaign their arses off. So if you are this angry about someone who is breaking no law - then decide an alternative and campaign for it.

If you feel so very strongly about an issue, you'd be happy to do that, right?

MrsStatham · 22/05/2014 09:15

The United States imprisons him for life, the UK turn a blind eye to his murderous campaign and give him a house in London.

This country needs to get a fucking grip.

writtenguarantee · 22/05/2014 10:20

Mans to the posters who claim thatir must be horrible to be married to Abu Hamza, there is no evidence that Mrs Abu Hamza does not share his beliefs. The fact that his sons have also been convicted of hate crimes shows really the joint ethos and beliefs of both parents.

guilty by association?

no crime, no time.

it's not a popularity contest. You are either entitled to benefits or you are not. as far as I know, she hasn't been charged with anything. being his wife isn't a crime.

The United States imprisons him for life, the UK turn a blind eye to his murderous campaign and give him a house in London.

he was, apparently, given a 7 year sentence here and extradited to the US.

nicename · 22/05/2014 11:15

The thing is that there is a process for support (financial, housing, etc) and everyone can apply for this.

We don't have a 'worthy' category, and I guess that is where the beauty/flaws in the system lie.

Yes, I would dearly love a system where those who were fine, upstanding citizens were given help and support when they needed it, and the feckless/lazy/criminals were propped back on their feet and into the job market, but life isn't black and white.

People fiddle/take full advantage of the system - it's a shitty fact but true (i.e. couples 'breaking up' to get a second council home, then renting one out) - whilst those in need don't ask for help, or do and don't receive it.

If we were to kick MrsA into the street with her kids, what do we think would happen to them? They wouldn't disappear would they. The children, I believe, were born here, so have a right to stay (don't know about this Mrs As nationality).

SinisterBuggyMonth · 22/05/2014 11:55

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ReallyTired · 22/05/2014 11:59

Regardless of what middle class people who can buy two houses think.

Does it really matter what wealth someone has. People do have the right to disagree with you.

I get the impression that OP is comsumed with jelousy.

Coumarin · 22/05/2014 12:57

Oh no! We'd better all rush out and vote UKIP to prevent This Sort of Thing from happening again. How handy that it's the European Elections today.

Hmm
ReallyTired · 22/05/2014 13:06

"Oh no! We'd better all rush out and vote UKIP to prevent This Sort of Thing from happening again. How handy that it's the European Elections today. "

I don't think that UKIP are extreme enough. If you want to deport all immigrants then you need the BNP.

Coumarin · 22/05/2014 13:10

I didn't think of those ReallyTired There's been a lot of UKIP threads this week so I guessed this was another.

MrsStatham · 22/05/2014 14:12

If we want them out we need to overturn the ECHR. They're the meddlers in situations like this.

DenzelWashington · 22/05/2014 14:17

We could withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights. It would do our international standing no good at all though.

dawndonnaagain · 22/05/2014 14:18

If we want them out we need to overturn the ECHR. They're the meddlers in situations like this.
No they're not. They protect you, too.

Coumarin · 22/05/2014 14:19

I feel I should point out that I was being sarcastic in my UKIP comment. I wouldn't vote for them if you paid me to.

MrsStatham · 23/05/2014 01:35

Wow - they receive £33,800 pa in benefits too.

Something's wrong somewhere. How many people working full time don't earn that much? She sits on her arse, entertains and raises terrorists and we foot the bill. She needs deporting to the States too.