to be angry that Abu Hamza's wife and family have a better quality of life than my family?

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I know I am not being unreasonable but this is Mumsnet where the world often seems to exist in a parallel reality where right is wrong and wrong is right, however, I'm feeling pretty angry and depressed this morning and felt like having a vent and this is as good a place as any.

Me and my husband who have worked all our lives, paid loads of tax, limited our children to two (even though we would like more) because it is what we can afford from our wages, live in a shitty, small rented flat with limited security, where the kids are squashed together in one small bedroom, have a worse quality of life than Abu Hamza's wife who has never worked, had 7 children all paid for by benefits and lives in a lovely 5 bedroom, million pound council house in Shepherds Bush.

I just don't get it. How is it possible that the wife and children of someone who wanted to kill people simply because they had a different religion or were gay, hates the country and has never worked a day in her life can have a bigger, better home, security for her kids, free money etc when people who work and do everything "the right way" (i.e. live within their means, don't have more children than they can afford) have to live in total insecurity, will never be able to afford their own home, let alone a £1.25 million one provided free from the state. She will probably even have a more secure retirement than us. It's a complete joke and punch in the guts.

I'm sorry, I am just feeling really really upset by this and feel like telling my kids not to bother working hard as you will end up at the back of the queue as the least deserving.

If you don't like a law - be part of a campaign to change it.

Don't just moan that someone is doing something perfectly lawful, even if you find it mildly irritating through to morally repugnant. You are perfectly free to write to your mp, to set up a pressure group, to start a petition, to begin a campaign.

If you feel so strongly, do those things.

These pesky laws, eh? Wasn't life so much better when you could simply rustle up a mob with flaming torches and pitchforks and run the person you'd taken a dislike to out of town? Now you have to have all these stupid ideas like "evidence" and "justice" and "fairness" before you can give them what they deserve. What's the world coming to...?

I'm speaking for myself

Thanks for clarifying. When you said "we" it suggested you were referring to those of us on the thread.

I don't want to change the law.

I think people should have secure tenancies in council housing. Hell I think there should be more council housing. I grew up on a council estate.

I think it's tremendously complacent of the authorities if they think people awaiting adequate housing will accept anomalies like thus case. Thus is just the sort of thing that fuels support fir UKIP and the BNP.

And the local council has changed it's regulations sadly they will not apply to this family.

So you don't want to change the law, you want her to be an exception to it and to be treated outside of it, because of who her husband is?

Yep

Well, at least you're honest.

You are right, though.

The situation just boils my piss.

while six of the male members of the family commit terrible crimes

I thought it was 4 (not that 4 is ok): Hamza and 3 sons. Who are the other 2?

well. Thats a straight answer to a straight question! Fair enough. I think you can guess we will have to agree to disagree

Ubik1
what have refugees from other countries who are being deported got to do with AH's wife and family. And what happens if the children of one of these well deserving refugees gets up to no good once they are naturalized? Should we send them packing too? Who is to say all refugees are well deserving? Are you personally doing background checks on all of them to make sure they weren't up to nasty things in the struggles that led them to flee their own countries? Her kids may be wasters or criminals but frankly that has nothing to do with the issue of deportation. Very dangerous assumptions you are making. If they are British they should be treated as other under British law. WHat exactly is your issue? That they are the family of AH and they are treated like everyone else, or that they are living in a large house? I agree with the others who have noted that should Mrs AH step out of line I am sure they would pounce all over her. Whether she is likable or a victim in all of this is irrelevant. She is treated the same as everyone else as she should be.

umm she is the one who complained her house wasn't big enough she is a spoilt brat she should go home her children are redeemable and should be given to people with morals

"The problem is, she's the wife of Abu Hamza. Rightly or wrongly, NO ONE IS GOING TO GIVE THIS WOMAN A JOB."

She can change her name. She doesn't have to say that she is the wife of Abu Hamza on a job app.

"Why would the bedroom tax require this woman to move? "

OP thinks she is on benefits. If half her kids are in jail then she will have no need of a five bed house. A family with say 4 kids can fit into a 3 bed house in theory.

Ok I know, I know. I get it.

I shall rest happy that mrs hamza will live out her days in a lovely house, in a lovely part if London with enough space for grandchildren to visit, perhaps a garden etc

It is her right in law.

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I shall rest happy that mrs hamza will live out her days in a lovely house, in a lovely part if London with enough space for grandchildren to visit, perhaps a garden etc "

I doult that mrs hamza will live out her days in a five bed house. Since she is on benefits, she will need housing benefit to pay for the house. The bedroom tax will eventually hit her.

Ubik1

I can understand that you feel bittter. Is it an option to move to a cheaper area where you would get more for your money?

Yanbu.

It's a disgrace, they hate the country but scrounge benefits. They shouldn't have been let in in the first place.

if she/they are indeed more comfortable than a working family, well that's the UK benefits system at work and has nothing to do with him being a nasty piece of work. the benefits system shouldn't depend on you having right political views. What's next? No benefits if you vote for the wrong party?

they shouldn't be more comfortable than a working family no matter who they are.

you're angry that 7 kids have a 'good' quality of life? weird. they might not now it's been splashed all over the press though.

Get a grip, do you want to fuck Abu Hamza

Funniest thing I've read all week

YANBU. Definitely not jealous (why would I be?!) but the system is definitely all screwed and THAT'S enough to make me feel sick.

It's a disgrace, they hate the country but scrounge benefits. They shouldn't have been let in in the first place.

This. They hate it so much, but don't hate it enough to not take the free handouts they can get.

I knew you'd be told you were BU.

I couldn't care less. She should be deported. I cannot stand what Britain has become. There's tolerance and inclusion, which we are know for - great - but everything I now read and hear makes me despair for how Labour have ruined everything wonderful about the place with their selfish immigration policy and pandering to extremists who hate the very country that feeds them.. I have been out of the UK for a few years, due to return soon, not looking forward to it tbh.

ToffeeMoon please stay out of the UK if you hate it so much, we don't need more xenophobic anti-immigration idiots. I love immigrants and how they enrich the UK, and I'd rather have an immigrant here than people like you.

Why should she be deported? She hasn't committed any crime.

And what's with all the poor little downtrodden Muslim wife thing? You don't know anything about her.

She may well be as evil a piece of work as him.

She may have been writing his "speeches" behind the scenes.

She may have enjoyed fucking the bastard.