to be angry that Abu Hamza's wife and family have a better quality of life than my family?

[AgentPink]

I know I am not being unreasonable but this is Mumsnet where the world often seems to exist in a parallel reality where right is wrong and wrong is right, however, I'm feeling pretty angry and depressed this morning and felt like having a vent and this is as good a place as any.

Me and my husband who have worked all our lives, paid loads of tax, limited our children to two (even though we would like more) because it is what we can afford from our wages, live in a shitty, small rented flat with limited security, where the kids are squashed together in one small bedroom, have a worse quality of life than Abu Hamza's wife who has never worked, had 7 children all paid for by benefits and lives in a lovely 5 bedroom, million pound council house in Shepherds Bush.

I just don't get it. How is it possible that the wife and children of someone who wanted to kill people simply because they had a different religion or were gay, hates the country and has never worked a day in her life can have a bigger, better home, security for her kids, free money etc when people who work and do everything "the right way" (i.e. live within their means, don't have more children than they can afford) have to live in total insecurity, will never be able to afford their own home, let alone a £1.25 million one provided free from the state. She will probably even have a more secure retirement than us. It's a complete joke and punch in the guts.

I'm sorry, I am just feeling really really upset by this and feel like telling my kids not to bother working hard as you will end up at the back of the queue as the least deserving.

His children are all grown up so they don't need to be protected by the state. 3 of them are in jail for committing crimes in the UK. Apparently the UK education/welfare system wasn't enough for them to appreciate how generous the country is (regardless of whether they were born here or not).

No, I would not want to fuck Abu Hamza but since she did at least 7 times, she presumably was a willing participant.

Bookie - she won't be paying any rent since she doesn't work. Her rent will be paid by taxpayers (via housing benefit) and if she needs to top it up (highly unlikely since it is a council property with low rent) then she will do it with money from her other benefits (once again all provided by working taxpayers). So, in effect, she is getting it for free (or rather through no work on her part).

No, I would not want to fuck Abu Hamza but since she did at least 7 times, she presumably was a willing participant.

That statement alone shows real ignorance.

I would not want to fuck Abu Hamza but since she did at least 7 times, she presumably was a willing participant

What a bizarre statement.

Oh do fuck off, Agent. You're jealous of a woman who in all likelihood was abused by her husband and very possibly her children, too. You have no empathy or insight, and judging from the statement regarding being a willing participant, you aren't as bright as your posts would have us believe. Are you a Daily Fail journalist?

how the FUCK is having your name, and house plastered over the national media a good quality of life??

I hate this story, fucking hate it. they are CHILDREN here

lets fucking kick them on the street shall we

shameful and disgusting

"No, I would not want to fuck Abu Hamza but since she did at least 7 times, she presumably was a willing participant."

Yeah because if you're raped twice you must have liked it the first time.

ooops just read what agent pink said, I thought they were all school age

I think my last comment may have come across as passive aggressive. It's actually genuine bafflement.

I've been in some utterly dire situations, including but not limited to homelessness, bankruptcy and being suicidally depressed. Just mentioning it so you know I'm not some privileged nincompoop who's never known a days hardship.

I genuinely can't imagine ever being in a position where I would be jealous of what she has or is perceived to have.

I really, really don't agree that your happy family has a worse quality of life than Abu Hamaza's. Just think about that statement for a minute. You really think your quality of life is worse than hers? Yes, she may have more 'stuff' (which is a fault of the system, rather than directly attributable to her), but I would bet my last penny your quality of life is better than hers.

Apparently the UK education/welfare system wasn't enough for them to appreciate how generous the country is

Yeah them and the 000's of other offenders who are British through and through committing crimes on a daily basis. The majority I believe of young offenders are from economically deprived backgrounds. We should just deport them all really. To, erm, the Isle of Wight! There you go problem solved.

North Korea holds three generations responsible for wrongdoing.

So, if a 'crime' is committed, then the children and parents of the offender are also put in prison.

Have you thought about emigrating, OP? It sounds like your sort of a place.

It might also be worth considering that the children who are in prison (at least one being from an earlier marriage) are not benefitting from living in a £1.2m house in London whilst claiming benefits. They are in prison. The reason that 3 of Hamzas children are in prison might be worth considering. Could it be related to their upbringing? Could it be linked to the fact that they have been raised in part by a terrorist who preaches hate? Could they have had a different crime free life if they had not been so unfortunate to have Hamza for a father?

Would you want to live with Hamza? Would you want to have your children raised by Hamza? Would you want to see your children brought up to see hate as normal?

I certainly wouldn't be jealous of his wife and kids but YANBU - The system is ridiculous and very, very unfair.

I think that if you had just spoken about her and not compared it to your life you may have had the response you wanted.

YANBU where the wife and off-spring are concerned.

I am so bloody annoyed by this, YABVU.

1. Abu Hamza's wife almost certainly does not have a better quality of life than you. This is the weirdest thing ever. She is married to a hatred spewing, misogynistic, evil fucking bastard who is also notorious and has been extradited to the US. Her quality of life is probably pretty shit. On that count YABU.

1. She is either legally in the UK or British, probably one of the best countries in the world to live in. She therefore receives benefits in line with the British system. Not more, not less. If you have a problem with the benefits system then fair enough, say that, if you have a problem with Abu Hamaza then that is perfectly reasonable and normal. To link the two is strange.

I know it's annoying that there are people, usually men, high on hate who seek justification of their pathetic lives by getting a thrill from murdering and mutilating and enslavin others and stealing their joy. It is horrid and their hypocrisy in living off the very system they want to bring down is eye-wateringly annoying. But they are fuckers, we knew that anyway, and their use of benefits is irrelevant.

How do you know that his wife does not share his views? She does have a mind of her own and may be even more extreme than him!
She should not be living in that house. All I can hope is as her children all leave school then she will be house in a flat somewhere that people who work hard at senior levels couldn't even afford.

She may well share his views but she has not been found guilty, so should not be in prison.

You can think what you like and still be eligible for benefits. If she is not actually eligible for benefits than they should be taken away from her if she is then she should keep them.

How old are the children? She has likely had a horror of a life with him but i agree that she should be treated like anyone else in terms of benefits etc and if that means she could be housed cheaper elsewhere so be it.

Yes, I guess she should get benefits but not to the level that she is living in a house worth over a million. She doesn't have a job so no need to be in Central London. People with jobs have to move areas to find work and not necessarily stay where their family/friends are so why should she have this luxury.

Its wrong to punish children for the sins of their father. Britain makes a vague attempt to be a quasi christian country. The bible is incredibly clear that people should only be punished for their own sins. I am sure that lots compassionate people with no religion would be prepared to agree.

I imagine that Mrs Hamza will be forced to look for work when her youngest start school. She will be hit by the benefits cap and later on when her kids leave home she will be hit by the bedroom tax.

Prehaps the issue is whether there should be any social housing in Shepherd's bush. Should the area be gentified and reserved for the rich who can afford it.

Would you feel unhappy if her family lived in a 5 bed council house in Luton?

However if you were to advertise a job and "mrs hanza" from London applied.
Been at home raising kids for years. No work history. No References.
Ok you decide to interview her. She does well and gets he job.
Say you then run a DBS/crb check. Am guessing it might not come back in 3 weeks absolutely clean.

Or you have the cv of the op sitting on your desk. Good work history, solid references, relevant skills.

so she is stuck - living on benefits. At the mercy of the government and their latest "ideas" on how to cut benefits. Knows when he youngest gets old enough she is going to be forced onto whatever programme jcp have running at the time.

She knows if she is seen talking to the wrong person thats it - she is in prison on terror charges.

With a arse of a husband who will probably be in prison in America forever. No chance of having a relationship with a decent bloke.
Kids seem to be heading down the same route.
Treated with suspicion at every turn.

Police/MI5 following her and bugging her phone and Internet. Can't trust any new people as they may be spy's. Gorgeous new guy trying to get into bed with her to find out her secrets. I know this bit will happen cause I watched spooks

No I don't wish I had her life.

Ok Want, you think that, lots of people do - I don't know if they've brought in that one must move to a cheaper area if on housing benefits or not.

But the point is that this isn't about Mrs Hamza, that is about perceived injustice within the benefits system.

And anything written by the Daily Mail is going to be full of hyperbole designed to raise your blood pressure and not take a balanced view at immigrants or benefits and especially not at a powerful combo of the two featuring "hook-handed Hamza" as they like to call him.

Why does everyone think his wife was abused?

How do you know she doesn't love him and sleep with him by choice?

On any other thread the suggestion that a Muslim man with hard line views must be a wife and child abusing rapist would be quite loudly shouted down.

Being angry at someone you do not know and who doesn't know/care about your feelings is a waste of energy. Focus your energy on you family, enjoying them and working to make things good for the people you care about.