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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To wonder why people are so often against co sleeping?

303 replies

pigluscious · 27/04/2014 19:07

Maybe I'm a silly lentil weaving hippy, but I really don't understand why people are so obsessed with getting little babies to sleep on their own, and to settle themselves. What on earth is wrong with rocking/feeding to sleep and then tucking your child in (following all the safety advice) next to you?
AIBU?

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RiverTam · 28/04/2014 09:28

you say you are interested in why people don't, but not once have you said, in response to the many posts from people explaining why they don't - 'oh yes, that's a good point, I hadn't thought of that, I can see why you wouldn't' - you aren't listening or taking any of it on board at all, and are only responding to those who agree with you.

picnicbasketcase · 28/04/2014 09:33

I think I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times my children have slept in the same bed as me, and I'm really just fine with that. I don't sleep very well as it is, and if I'd been worrying about squashing a baby as well I would never have got any sleep.
It seems to work fine for other people though so I'm not all judgy about it.

drspouse · 28/04/2014 09:35

As with those who say how mean we were to move our DS on to a cup for milk because it's so much more snuggly to use a bottle - we are perfectly capable of snuggling in bed in the mornings, snuggling on the sofa etc. etc.

We have plenty of lovely moments, thankyouverymuch.

JoandMax · 28/04/2014 09:50

I co-slept with DS2 and still do at age 4, he's not showing any signs of stopping yet!! He was very ill as a baby and we were still doing 3 hourly night feeds until he was 2.5 so it was the easiest way to all get more sleep. Now he is a happy, confident boy by day but whether its to do with his early difficulties or not he gets very insecure at nightime and easily scared. He starts off in his bed but comes in to us around 10pm and sleeps peacefully til morning. We had a huge bed made last year so it fits us in with spare.

DS1 hasn't ever slept in with us, just never wanted to. Even now if he's ill I ask him if he wants to come in with me and am always met by a sharp no!!

In terms of the whole 'snuggly, bonding' nonsense - I feel exactly the same about both my sons and have done opposites with both. One co-slept, one not. One breastfed, one tube fed. No difference at all

BionicEmu · 28/04/2014 09:52

I personally could never co-sleep as I used to work in paediatric pathology & as such was involved in several awful cases of babies being rolled onto/suffocated etc. And I know that sometimes even if you take all the "safety precautions" and follow all the advice on safe co-sleeping it can still go wrong.

But I know that's an unpopular opinion, & I know the risk os v small, so I tend to just keep it to myself in everyday parenting conversation & just say it's not for me.

Sneezecakesmum · 28/04/2014 09:56

I don't think the majority of mums who end up co sleeping do it from choice.

It's just the only thing that worked. If mine had settled in a cot I would have been just as happy, but I was not prepared for their distress.

BertieBotts · 28/04/2014 10:00

The risk is small. And there are cases where children have been killed or injured in accidents in cots and beds, too.

wannaBe · 28/04/2014 10:11

I am always somewhat Hmm at how people on here defend co sleeping vs how people react to people who e.g. bottlefeed or who wean before the magic 26 weeks.

if I e.g. advised a struggling bf mum to give her baby a bottle or the mum of an eighteen WO baby that perhaps they were ready to start weaning I would be absolutely crucified on here on the basis that these things are against all guidelines and damaging to babies yada yada yada. Yet people are advised on here all the time that perhaps they ought to give co sleeping a try even though that is strictly against sids guidelines and nobody bats an eyelid. Why is that?

Thing is, many babies who die during co sleeping die because of smothering, not sids, so they are not part of the sids statistics.

Guidelines for "safe" co sleeping are given because it is well understood that people will do it anyway regardless of the risks, so best try and get them to do it safely at least.

But co sleeping is definitely not advised anywhere that I've ever seen, nor was it advised when mine was a baby (he's 11.5 now).

But I am still baffled why weaning before 26 weeks is considered to be like one of the seven deadly sins when the potential outcome might be an increased risk of allergies, whereas co sleeping is sold as the solution to many a sleep problem when the potential outcome could be death.

That being said, people have the right to do whatever they feel works for them, but I would feel far more uncomfortable with the idea of co sleeping than weaning a baby before 26 weeks or giving it a bottle. I would suggest someone do the above two in certain circs, I would never suggest someone might want to co sleep.

Thurlow · 28/04/2014 10:13

I feel sorry for those who miss out on moments we have enjoyed.

And that's exactly the kind of statement that turns these threads competitive rather than acknowledging that everyone does what works out for them.

It's like saying... OK, so you've been fortunate that your baby self-settles and sleeps well in their own room so everyone in the house gets a good night kip, but actually it's not a good thing that you've been getting some decent sleep, because you've been missing out on cuddles... Hmm

Notcontent · 28/04/2014 10:27

I didn't do it when dd was a small baby as I was too scared of the risks. But we started doing it when she was a little bigger and more robust. For us it has worked because we both slept really well. I love it.

SleepNBooties · 28/04/2014 10:54

WannaBe, in my case because when I was actually in that situation and had experienced both A. falling into a deep exhausted sleep in an uncontrolled way with a baby on my lap and B. falling asleep in a controlled way with a baby near to me on a firm mattress, in their own grobag, with lots of space, and without the exhaustion that comes with having to get up several times a night (so I slept more lightly), it became blindingly obvious to me that (for us, with our setup), B was safer.

That didn't mean that I didn't spend a lot of time paying attention to safety and instead just carelessly thought, sod it we're co-sleeping, I'll just bung him in the bed anywhere. Depending on the age of the baby my preferred distance for sleep rather than feeding could be a good foot away, with just my arm out to touch them. It was a big bed! I was also obsessive about room temperature, air quality, mattress quality and clean sheets. Not because we co-slept, I would have been anyway - just illustrating that it's possible to be a bit obsessive about safety and still co-sleep!

There are many ways to co-sleep, and the way people deal with the guidelines issue is to look at it closely and make a judgement. The guidelines are the reason why if you do have a good reason to do it then you take precautions but just as with formula and bottles they're not in themselves enough of a reason for no one to do it ever.

Also it's become clear from this thread that some things (baby right next to you in a bedside cot) are counted as co-sleeping by some people but not others - see I would count that as co-sleeping, an example of a way to do it safely, others seem to count that as not co-sleeping, so narrowing the definition of co-sleeping to exclude one of the safest ways to do it.

I think what would change my attitude would be if the risk from co-sleeping was purely SIDS, rather than smothering and suffocation. The SIDS risk is why I would be far more afraid of putting a baby into a room alone early on. There's nothing practically you can do in that situation to mitigate the risks, because no one knows exactly what it is about being in that situation that's dangerous. But with co-sleeping you can take practical steps to make it safe, because we know what the main risks are and they are practical ones to do with position and heat and bedding and parents not being aware.

Combine that with the idea that co-sleeping may help a baby to regulate their breathing, and the fact that the studies the guidelines are based on are iffy when it comes to how well they looked at safe co-sleeping rather than unsafe co-sleeping or unplanned bedsharing, and it's really not hard to see why those guidelines aren't enough to drive everyone away from doing it.

GobbolinoCat · 28/04/2014 10:56

CO SLEEPING COT CO SLEEPING COT!

Elimanate any problems immeditalty and have best of both worlds. they come in all sizes from really small to larger.

Gileswithachainsaw · 28/04/2014 10:57

wannabe

That's a very good point.

I also wonder sometimes if "labels" do more harm than good too. I mean people do all diets, mix and match what works for them.

But people who religiously follow bf, or BLW or co sleeping/Ap it seems there's no middle ground. That it has to a that way or nothing, you can't do something outside of those realms.

I think it's important to leave yourself open o all options. Deciding before baby is even born or refusing to consider an alternative is just daft. And places far more pressure on people to suffer needlessly in order
make something that won't work, remotely possible.

Gileswithachainsaw · 28/04/2014 10:58

All sorts

BertieBotts · 28/04/2014 11:00

I think it's different people saying different things wannaBe? I've never told someone you must never wean before 26 months or that fomula is the worst thing ever. In real life there are shades of grey!

SleepNBooties · 28/04/2014 11:07

I think you made a good point though - it does look superficially inconsistent, although I don't think it actually is if you look more closely. At the end of the day not all guidelines are created the same way though, and not all parenting decisions are made the same way. Some are one-offs (to FF, generally), some are remade daily (where to put your baby to sleep, whether to give them some fruit and veg with their tea rather than chocolate, that sort of thing). Some have visible effects one way or another straight away, some have invisible long-term effects someone may be more or less worried about. Anything that can be tried easily and then switched back from is likely to be recommended by more people than things that can't be reversed. Of course to some people one bottle of formula is an obvious and sensible thing to just try, to others who are worried about virgin gut etc. it's an irreversible decision. All of these factors go into what people say, not just guidelines.

pigluscious · 28/04/2014 11:18

wannabe that's interesting, I hadn't thought about it like that. I myself am a rigorous guideline follower, have no intention of weaning before 6 months etc etc. When I initially tried co sleeping I found it terrifying, partly because I didn't like not having a movement monitor, and also for the other reasons mentioned by various posters. To get around this I use a co sleeper cot. Do people generally consider this to be safe?

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thebodydoestricks · 28/04/2014 11:20

What always amazes me are the people who are amazed that everyone parents differently.

What makes me belly laugh is someone with one 4 month old baby seeking to tell us all how to parent.

Ha ha ha. I gave been at this parenting lark for the last 24 years and still get it wrong.

You have a lot to Learn.

LucilleBluth · 28/04/2014 11:22

I haven't read the whole thread but I have to comment. I think that the personality and temperament of your baby/child is a factor when co sleeping.

I had DS1 who was a wild card and shattered by bedtime from very early on, so he slept like an angel, DS2 would come and go from out bed but as he got older he wanted to be with his big bro. DD is now 3.4 and is still in bed with me, she has always been a light sleeper and is very fretful if she's not with me, luckily DH isn't bothered about getting out he wants a decent night. Maybe I have chilled by DC3 but I have had her in with me from day one and it hasn't been an issue.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 28/04/2014 11:24

i have no intention of weaning before 26weeks etc

See all these things do is set you up to fail. Why not just be a bit more open.

I'm not saying to get them up at seven for baby rice the day they turn 17 weeks but on te same note if your 22 week old grabs the broccoli off your plate and starts chomping away as you talk to your friend over lunch, it's not something to panic about either.

Go by your baby.

thebodydoestricks · 28/04/2014 11:29

Ditch the books and go with your baby.

Advice changes with hairstyles and fashion.

Go with your baby.

pigluscious · 28/04/2014 11:42

No need to be patronising thebody. I'm not telling anyone how to parent. If you weren't being willfully obtuse you'd see that I'm asking, not telling. Am aware I have a lot to learn, you've been a parent for as long as I've been alive, so I'm sure you've gained a lot of knowledge over the years.

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pigluscious · 28/04/2014 11:44

What makes me belly laugh is how needlessly defensive some people get about their parenting choices.

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