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to vote UKIP?

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runnerBeanee · 03/04/2014 09:02

Over time I have warmed to UKIP. I see the other parties as self serving bullshitters. Recently I looked at schools for dd, every local school is bursting at the seams, bulge years etc and it's likely I won't get a school of choice. I've been told be teachers and other parents that a high percentage of the children at said schools do not speak English, so rather than teaching maths, the teachers spend more time just trying to teach English to non English speakers.

I live in an average area, I've been told be friends in other areas that it's the same there. There's not enough housing, schools and NHS resources to cope with the levels of immigration. So which stupid power hungry politicians decided it was a good idea to allow all this immigration when there wasn't the infrastructure to cope with it or the funds to pay for more schools etc?

I'm not from a 'British' family myself and have plenty of non British friends, it's not about racism, it's common sense, you can't have an uncontrolled surge in population and expect public services to cope unless you're happy to pay for it. Though I'm sure the govt arehappy that this has caused wages to be driven down...

Aibu?

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GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 03/04/2014 11:14

You are being very very unreasonable. And a bigot.
You are concerned that no English will be spoken in schools? What a ridiculous unfounded fear. Plus English is a hybrid language anyway. Would you say the same about the French? Or the Anglo Saxons? 'They come in here... taking over our language'? Or the ancient Greeks? 'They come in here... developing all civilisation, education, democracy'?

You views on immigration are absolutely abhorrent and you should be very very ashamed.

If you are in favour of a change from the current situation which might lead to equality and freedom and relieve the levels of poverty then you need to move to the far left not the far right.

Sometimes I think that if people are going to be so stupid then maybe we shouldn't have a 'democracy'.

Wantsunshine · 03/04/2014 11:16

No, of course I do not believe that anyone with disabilities should be locked away in some sort of commune or ghetto. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that did even Dailymail readers would not go agree to that I wouldn't think

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 03/04/2014 11:17

What I will say about UKIP is that they are taking away some idiot conservative voters which is diluting their support.

Oh and if you care one tiny bit about climate change then you should know that if labour don't win the next general election we are all truly fucked.

Does UKIP even have any climate policy? Or are they just blaming climate change on the gays?

juliacharles2013 · 03/04/2014 11:18

That is what UKIP state though (or used to until they realised just how moronic they sounded). By voting for the idiots in UKIP, you're basically accepting all kinds of loony bollocks!!

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 11:20

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Wantsunshine · 03/04/2014 11:21

I will most likely vote conservative but I don't think UKIP would be as dangerous to the country as voting for labour and all their loony bollocks and the fact they have form for screwing up the economy every time they have been in power

juliacharles2013 · 03/04/2014 11:22

Sometimes I think that if people are going to be so stupid then maybe we shouldn't have a 'democracy'

I think it was an attempt at sarcasm @ TiggyTape

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 03/04/2014 11:24

I was being sarcastic. But I think parties that holds bigoted or fascist opinions should be banned.

fideline · 03/04/2014 11:24

You are concerned that no English will be spoken in schools? What a ridiculous unfounded fear. Plus English is a hybrid language anyway.

What a bizarre point Guy. You sound like Clegg last night; deliberately missing the point to dodge the question.

Most UK education is english-medium, which is why all schoolchildren need to master english - in order to access the curriculum. It's not actually an immigration issue, it is a funding issue.

Denying the existence issues when they do crop up, however, plays straight into the hands of the bigots and xenophobes.

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 03/04/2014 11:26

It's not a bizarre point at all. Language evolves. So should society.

fideline · 03/04/2014 11:30

How does that apply to the problems that arise when one class teacher is expected to teach a class containing children with english as mother-tongue whilst at the same time bringing children with no english up to speed?

The evolution of language is not remotely the issue.

Neither is immigration- as a PP pointed out, many British children start reception with little or no english.

Lets acknowledge and tackle the problem, rather than let UKIP distort and exploit it.

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 03/04/2014 11:32

UKIP aren't exploiting a problem, they are exploiting and cultivating peoples' fears about a non-problem.

fideline · 03/04/2014 11:39

Plenty of people in education think it is very much a problem.

If you look at the history of the far right, the exploitation of such problems (e.g. housing shortage in the East End of London in the 1960s) is the way in which they consistently operate.

If we honestly and pragmatically tackle the problems we have as a country with various aspects of infrastructure (housing, education, employment), it would be much harder for the fascist groups to get a toe-hold or engage in dog-whistle politics. The moment we start denying the problems, we make it easier for UKIP and the BNP and all those like them.

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 03/04/2014 11:40

Thanks Guy that comment about the evolution of language made me properly LOL! Classic example of deflection and distorting the problem.

OP - YANBU. Democracy is a wonderful thing - vote for whoever you like. My DP is a first generation immigrant and is voting in the next GE for the first time. Like you, he will be voting UKIP. My family of lefties think it's hilarious.

I don't share his views but I absolutely respect his right to hold them. And I suspect that those who fail to see the problems caused by mass immigration either live in a remote Scottish glen, or are being deliberately obtuse.

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 11:42

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prh47bridge · 03/04/2014 11:42

net immigration is not down - figures released by the Home Office in Feb showed net immigration was up from 154000 to 212000 year on year

Yes it has risen recently but it was 244,000 when the government was elected so the current government has reduced net immigration. But the recent rise means that the government is unlikely to achieve its target of reducing net immigration to below 100,000 a year.

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 11:43

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fideline · 03/04/2014 11:44

Most people who vote UKIP could be won back if their concerns are addressed. If they are written off as idiots and bigots, more will end up voting UKIP not less.

This. Well put tiggy Smile.

formerbabe · 03/04/2014 11:45

I don't agree with the vast majority of ukips views...i support gay marriage and I am not against controlled immigration... I think the former governments open door policy was probably a mistake but overall, I am not opposed to immigration, it has many benefits. I think the EU is a bureaucratic, money wasting, undemocratic load of nonsense but if it must exist we are better in than out.

I wouldn't rule out voting ukip as a protest vote though.

Nancy66 · 03/04/2014 11:48

immigration and the knock on effect on public services is the no1 concern of the electorate.

any part that doesn't address this is not going to win the election.

concerns about how we as a small island cope with a rising immigrant population does not a racist make - I really wish people could wrap their brains around that.

usuallyright · 03/04/2014 11:51

the blanket refusal (from the left) to understand why ukip are getting more and more support, underlines the arrogance and stupidity of politicians. Likewise the mumsnetters putting fingers in ears and saying "Nigel Farage is just a stupid idiot" are ignoring the deeper issue and allowing NF an even bigger platform. Which is kind of sadly ironic.

StarGazeyPond · 03/04/2014 11:52

Most people who vote UKIP could be won back if their concerns are addressed. If they are written off as idiots and bigots, more will end up voting UKIP not less.

And millions will, you just watch.

fideline · 03/04/2014 11:53

Ha! X post tigs

Nancy some well-intentioned soul on another thread was completely denying the existence of 'mass immigration' to the UK the other day. It is a very odd way to combat fascism, this denial.

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 11:58

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YouTheCat · 03/04/2014 11:58

There are more British immigrants abroad than there are immigrants in Britain.

So should we have all of ours back here and send the others back to their own countries?

Their stance on immigration is based on Daily Mail bollocks and falsified statistics.

What they want to do to disabled people is truly shocking. And ask yourself if you'd be happy to have your elderly parents euthanised if they become a burden on the state because that's what quite a few in UKIP believe should happen.

You want to vote for a party who will probably be even more self serving than the rest of them? You want to vote for a party with no actual clearly laid out policies on anything much at all? Well go ahead, as is your right, but many people will think you're an utter knob.