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AIBU?

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to vote UKIP?

328 replies

runnerBeanee · 03/04/2014 09:02

Over time I have warmed to UKIP. I see the other parties as self serving bullshitters. Recently I looked at schools for dd, every local school is bursting at the seams, bulge years etc and it's likely I won't get a school of choice. I've been told be teachers and other parents that a high percentage of the children at said schools do not speak English, so rather than teaching maths, the teachers spend more time just trying to teach English to non English speakers.

I live in an average area, I've been told be friends in other areas that it's the same there. There's not enough housing, schools and NHS resources to cope with the levels of immigration. So which stupid power hungry politicians decided it was a good idea to allow all this immigration when there wasn't the infrastructure to cope with it or the funds to pay for more schools etc?

I'm not from a 'British' family myself and have plenty of non British friends, it's not about racism, it's common sense, you can't have an uncontrolled surge in population and expect public services to cope unless you're happy to pay for it. Though I'm sure the govt arehappy that this has caused wages to be driven down...

Aibu?

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GossamerHailfilter · 03/04/2014 09:49

I am not a left wing luvvie, but neither am I willing to settle for what is essentially right wing politics pretending to care about the little people.

Blithereens · 03/04/2014 09:49

By the way, I do have sympathy for those who can't pick anyone to vote for from the three main parties. I can't either. They are all dreadful. I just don't think the solution is to vote for a circus clown who scuttles around honking FORRINERS FORRINERS OUT OUT OUT.

thebody · 03/04/2014 09:50

amrapalli I was suprised as well. Grin

mindosa · 03/04/2014 09:50

OP Voting UKIP wont necessarily improve the schooling situation though will it?

I agree that the govt need to invest in infrastructure to support population growth and no country can take an unlimited number of immigrants but what you don't seem to understand is that immigration is key to the health of the UK economy.

AnnieLobeseder · 03/04/2014 09:51

OP YANBU to be pissed off with who is currently in power and the bullshit policies they have been making, and YANBU to be pissed off with how so little is being done to build new schools when the system is so obviously being stretched to the limit.

However, YABVU to think that voting UKIP is the solution.

Immigration is not the problem - lack of investment in infrastructure is. And that's not an issue I've seen being addressed in UKIP's manifesto. Keeping out more forriners won't fix the problems already here.

I wish I did know what to suggest to you. All our political parties are utterly shit.

thebody · 03/04/2014 09:51

Blithereens well exactly but it is a void that these vile people could be seen as credible. scary I think.

peggyundercrackers · 03/04/2014 09:52

prh47bridge you said "Which presumably is why the government is intent on reducing immigration. It doesn't look like they will achieve Cameron's target but it is definitely down."

net immigration is not down - figures relased by the Home Office in Feb showed net immigration was up from 154000 to 212000 year on year.

worldgonecrazy · 03/04/2014 09:52

I am unsure how UKIP will do anything to change the situation at your child's school. Could you explain to me exactly how that will happen please? What improvements will UKIP be making and, perhaps more importantly, how will they fund these proposals?

(I say this as a confirmed Eurosceptic).

Fleta · 03/04/2014 09:54

There are a number of schools in our LEA that have such a high intake from particular communities that their intake is virtually all non-English speaking.

If for any reason my daughter had to leave her private school in all likelihood she would have to go to one.

BUT having a party like UKIP isn't going to help you know. The immigration thing is a complete and utter non-starter with regards to your issues with education.

juliacharles2013 · 03/04/2014 09:54

@Peggy - I'd rather be a left wing lovvie than a racist, sexist, homophobic racist who scaremongers people into voting for them by quoting from the Daily Mail/Express about how the world will end because of these "pesky foreigners".

Again I ask UKIP supporters, please tell me what ACTUAL POLICIES they have because to me, it just seems like a bunch of raving nonsenscial loonies who have too much time & money on their hands so they want to spread the nonsense like a disease to anyone who'll listen?

mrsjay · 03/04/2014 09:55

BNP used to fill that void with some voters Ukip is just the replacement

balenciaga · 03/04/2014 09:55

Yanbu to exercise free will but ukip?? Really ?!

Ubik1 · 03/04/2014 09:56

I think immigration is an issue in some parts of the UK. There is no denying it. I remember watching QT from Boston and people where feeling overwhelmed.I think people's concerns and frustrations need to be taken seriously. But Farage and co are not credible.

It's too complex an issue for these little Englander's to cope with...immigration brings tremendous economic benefits but also challenges to this country. It would be very foolish indeed to halt immigration when the rest of the world is participating in a global economy which includes transfer of skills and labour.

FWIW op there are 30 languages spoken at my daughters' primary school, some children arrive not being able to speak any english at all. And it has not impacted my DD's learning AT ALL.

In fact the multi cultural aspects of their school - children from all over the world attend - is one of its key strengths and one of the reasons I chose it.

whomadeyougod · 03/04/2014 09:56

yanbu op , vote for who ever you want , they will get 4 votes in this household.

Nancy66 · 03/04/2014 09:56

vote for who you want but, as others have said, it won't make any difference.

Very hard not to suffer from political apathy when every government we've had in the last 20 years has buggered everything up.

Blithereens · 03/04/2014 09:57

The body I don't disagree. However at the moment, polls suggest that UKIP may, at the most, split the conservative vote a bit and maybe, MAYBE scrape a few seats. If that happens I fully expect them to do the same as the BNP did once they were actually given a platform, and massively embarrass themselves back into obscurity.

They are scary in that they show how many people have fallen for the IMMIGRANTS IMMIGRANTS LOOK LOOK LOOK policy of distraction and blame, but their total lack of any real plans for running the country mean I don't take them particularly seriously as a genuine political threat.

...cough

peggyundercrackers · 03/04/2014 09:57

can comeone post up a link to labours education policy and show us how they are going to pay for the changes they are going to make?

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 09:59

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diaimchlo · 03/04/2014 09:59

You vote for who you want to, that is your right.

But UKIP?????? These sad examples of human beings are well noted for their ill thought out comments regarding sections of society that they deem to be "Not normal".

metro.co.uk/2012/12/19/all-disabled-babies-should-be-aborted-claims-ukip-candidate-3322519/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukips-godfrey-bloom-mocks-disability-at-oxford-union-asks-student-david-browne-are-you-richard-iii-9087751.html

Do not forget we all are only a heart beat away from disability, would you honestly want to treated the way UKIP promote if God forbid anything happens to you or any of your family????

They are not just racist they appear to be everythingist against anyone in society that they conceive as being different to them.

Please do bear in mind also that they are more left wing than the dreaded Tories.

ouryve · 03/04/2014 10:00

YABU and have fallen hook line and sinker for a different brand of bullshit.

peggyundercrackers · 03/04/2014 10:01

oh look www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26406165 labour dont have a policy - they have no idea what they are going to do... nothing new there then eh? miliband is useless and couldnt get laid in a brothel with a 50 note wrapped round his cock!

juliacharles2013 · 03/04/2014 10:02

@Peggy - please show us an actual UKIP policy on education that aims to pay for all the cock ups? Something that doesn't just say "Bloody forriners taking our jobs, women, houses etc"? Then I'll take your comments seriously & might actually consider them as anything other than a bunch of crack pot loonies

Nancy66 · 03/04/2014 10:08

none of the parties have launched an official manifesto yet. They can say what they want at this stage, it's meaningless.

mrsjay · 03/04/2014 10:09

oh please google Ukips education policy makes for good reading ( i am not great with links)

CatThiefKeith · 03/04/2014 10:10

I am no UKIP fan, but problems with schooling ARE occurring, certainly in parts of Essex, and in the Medway towns in Kent.

My niece is currently being taught to read by a private tutor. She is one of only three English speakers in her class and has been since she was in reception. She is 7.