to vote UKIP?

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Over time I have warmed to UKIP. I see the other parties as self serving bullshitters. Recently I looked at schools for dd, every local school is bursting at the seams, bulge years etc and it's likely I won't get a school of choice. I've been told be teachers and other parents that a high percentage of the children at said schools do not speak English, so rather than teaching maths, the teachers spend more time just trying to teach English to non English speakers.

I live in an average area, I've been told be friends in other areas that it's the same there. There's not enough housing, schools and NHS resources to cope with the levels of immigration. So which stupid power hungry politicians decided it was a good idea to allow all this immigration when there wasn't the infrastructure to cope with it or the funds to pay for more schools etc?

I'm not from a 'British' family myself and have plenty of non British friends, it's not about racism, it's common sense, you can't have an uncontrolled surge in population and expect public services to cope unless you're happy to pay for it. Though I'm sure the govt arehappy that this has caused wages to be driven down...

Aibu?

Justanotherlurker so are UKIP fine with other Countries closing the door to us then? Just think It's important if UKIP are wanting controlled immigration.

I live in a completely non-diverse area. Everyone is white British and has lived locally for generations. The three primary schools on my road are full to bursting and I don't know where my pre-schooler will actually get a school place. It's got nothing to do with immigration, everyone is just having babies, which I think is typical of a recession?

I'm a teacher and the EAL students we have work incredibly hard to learn English very quickly. No class has ever been disrupted by the need to teach English (confusingly, I am an English teacher though).

I find it disturbing in the extreme that UKIP have got themselves taken seriously. It's depressing that there are so many ill-informed bigots in the country. I certainly feel that none of the main parties are a particularly attractive prospect but the idea of trusting UKIP with our education system, our health service, the welfare system...the Tories are intent on destroying them as it is but unbelievably, UKIP are an even scarier prospect than them.

Labour have a website called Your Britain which is an online, open consultation process about their policies.

It includes information on the consultation regarding Labour's Education Policy, which, after this process, will go forward to Labour’s Annual Conference in September.

There's a lot of information on there about the hard work they're doing on their education policy. If you go to the Education Policy page, there's a green document called "Agenda 2015 Education and Chidlren".

This is a detailed outline of what they'd like to change, e.g. high standards, teacher quality, transforming vocational education, strong local support and oversight of schools, better planning for school places, healthy schools, more and better quality apprenticeships, better access to higher education, supporting the early years, etc.

I'm astonished that anyone would be stupid enough to fall for that pile of claptrap spouted by Farage.

Wtf is wrong with people? Why is that slug even on our tellies?

I don't want to live in a country where his vile views are tolerated/accepted.

I'm proud of our tolerant society, where women/men/straight/gay/black/white are treated with respect, with a commitment to aim for equality. If we allow that awful party any space at all, we'll have lost everything, one way or another.

UKIP are gaining in popularity and that will continue if the present and past government don't start making decisions that benefit ALL of our citizens.

There really isn't a distinct difference between the Tories and New Labour and if one of them doesn't break free and offer the public a different political strategy then UKIP will step into the breach and gain some power however limited that is.

Miss, I don't know why you are assuming I know about how kip feel but
I don't think controlled immigration means closing the door, so it's a bit of a straw man.
There are many countries that have a points system, this is not racist or xenophobic to suggest that we employ a similar strategy, no?

Again I reiterate that I am in no way in favour of ukip, but there are concerns within the population that need addressing and as previous posters have said, not resort to simple name calling.

Also calling out anecdotal data to project your own and then call them bigots is just hypocritical in terms of debate
(Not you missipix)

We are living in very very scary times. Threads like this are the reason why WW1and WW2, and Rwanda, and Bosnia must be on the curriculum. So we can learn from history and the danger of little men spouting racist bull.

Does the human race learn nothing from history? UKIP are a bigoted, racist, homophobic, disablist party. Look to Germany to see how a fringe party, led by a tiny fantasist, and ridiculed by the mainstream can rise through the ranks to lead a country.

For the record, I went to school with mainly Pakistani kids and I can tell you that they are mostly lawyers, drs, engineers or business people. Their work ethic is superb. Most of my white friends didnt even finish school.

UKIP ticks all the boxes then do they Bakingnovice ?

The rhetoric that has just been employed by you and many others is a 'Silencing' tactic that isn't working.

There are swathes of this country that are under-represented by the sycophants plying their trade as conmen(Politicians) and they will get representation by voting UKIP.

Some of the hypocrisy on here is deafening.

Caruthers - what makes you think I said UKIP tick all the boxes? Far far from it.

I don't think you read my post properly Bakingnovice .

By ticking all the boxes for you they've filled in your bingo card by naming them every anti-social thing you can think of.

Immigration does need controlling and there is nothing remotely racist about that.....hand wringing 101 is what we need to get rid of in this country nobody has an opinion any more.

So all these other countries like Australia and Canada that have immigration quotas and points systems to control immigration are racist then No they're not.

This Govt already has immigration controls but only for people from non-EU countries. Racist?

UKIP's protest is that the UK cannot control immigration from EU countries because as long as we are a member of the EU we must allow our 'fellow' EU citizens to live in the UK if they please. That is uncontrolled immigration and that is not sustainable.

And how you arrive at calling a control on EU immigration racist is quite beyond me as the people concerned are of the same ethnic mix that we have in the UK so what's 'racist' about that?

Don't fall for the spin folks - that's what they want. Think it through for yourselves.

Looks like one to me as well, Mrs DeVere.

Australia not racist? Really?

"And how you arrive at calling a control on EU immigration racist is quite beyond me as the people concerned are of the same ethnic mix that we have in the UK so what's 'racist' about that?"

That's precisely the problem. Racists and Xenophobes want a control on immigration for obvious reasons. Other people want a control on immigration for social or economic reasons. It seems to me that none of the political elite have put enough effort into focussing on the social and economic benefits of immigration and membership of the EU.

That's precisely the problem. Racists and Xenophobes want a control on immigration for obvious reasons. Other people want a control on immigration for social or economic reasons.

Yes and there are other people pretending not to know the difference for their own cynical reasons.

I'm not from a 'British' family myself

So fuck back off to where you come from then.

So ... how do you like that? How does it make you feel? How does that create & promote community?

Because those are the kinds of "policies" you'd be supporting if you voted for UKIP.

I call Australia racist based on how they treat those who were there first.

Although I am by no means saying all Australians are racist.

So youthecat are you in favour of controlled immigration?

I live in a high immigration area with a large NESB population. I am also married to an immigrant whose level of English before he came here was excellent.The kids are all speaking English within a few months generally. Also, the classroom teacher does not devote more time than she usually would to teaching English - the kids that struggle have support aides who come in for that and take extra classes outside of school hours. The academic level is quite high among the children especially in mathematics. If anything, your DD would probably benefit from that. My daughter is in the second top selective high school in our state and the majority of children in it (who get in solely through competitive exams taken at age 11) are from two NESB communities (Indian and Chinese).

All that said, I can also understand the desperation behind people who feel they have no choice but to turn to parties like UKIP. They are absolutely feeling displaced and betrayed. I do think many have been laughed at and dismissed as thick head racists simply for being white for too long .... even if their own families were targeted by/fought the likes of the Nazis in the past. In Australia (where we are), it's feels a bit hypocritical to be anti-immigration since we nearly all are but Europe is white people's home. Everyone resents colonization, even Europeans. All I can say is that they have not been betrayed by the immigrants themselves many of whom are very well-educated and hardworking, they have been betrayed by the likes of those who sent them to the slaughterhouses of WW1, WW2 etc. Another genocide is not going to change their lot , if anything it will make it much, much worse.

No justanother it isn't a strawman. Its a perfectly valid question to ask if it is okay for the rest of Europe to close the doors to us. Like recalling back the thousands of British citizens on the dole in Germany for example.