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to vote UKIP?

328 replies

runnerBeanee · 03/04/2014 09:02

Over time I have warmed to UKIP. I see the other parties as self serving bullshitters. Recently I looked at schools for dd, every local school is bursting at the seams, bulge years etc and it's likely I won't get a school of choice. I've been told be teachers and other parents that a high percentage of the children at said schools do not speak English, so rather than teaching maths, the teachers spend more time just trying to teach English to non English speakers.

I live in an average area, I've been told be friends in other areas that it's the same there. There's not enough housing, schools and NHS resources to cope with the levels of immigration. So which stupid power hungry politicians decided it was a good idea to allow all this immigration when there wasn't the infrastructure to cope with it or the funds to pay for more schools etc?

I'm not from a 'British' family myself and have plenty of non British friends, it's not about racism, it's common sense, you can't have an uncontrolled surge in population and expect public services to cope unless you're happy to pay for it. Though I'm sure the govt arehappy that this has caused wages to be driven down...

Aibu?

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shakethetree · 03/04/2014 18:26

I don't particularly like George Galloway, but there's something about him that makes me stop & listen, that's my point. Nick Clegg just sends me to sleep.

YouTheCat · 03/04/2014 18:27

Instead of listening, try some reading.

grovel · 03/04/2014 18:29

Tony Benn often talked nonsense but it was compelling nonsense and I had to consciously work out why I disagreed. Ditto Galloway. I get your point. Michael Foot and Enoch Powell both had it too.

LadyRabbit · 03/04/2014 18:29

I agree with you RedToothBrush but what I think is happening is that they are confusing immigration with assimilation. No reasonable person can be against immigration, surely? But what the UKIP voters are imagining is that because quite a few immigrants don't assimilate, that means ALL of them don't assimilate. And what happens is that amongst those immigrants who do assimilate there is an element of anger against those who don't as they encourage anti immigration sentiments. UKIP pounce on this and play it up. But there IS a problem - mostly in urban areas - where the fabric of the community is becoming fractured as opposed to multi-cultural. This needs to be addressed - but not by voting bloody UKIP!!

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:30

there number of posters who are using their colour as a justification for voting for UKIP

Erm. Just the OP and femmefatale isn't it? Hmm

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2014 18:34

No there was at least one other poster.

goshhhhhh · 03/04/2014 18:35

Well as you asked the question....Yep.

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:36

Oh fair enough.

We need to take race out of the whole issue though and concentrate on exposing the racism of UKIP

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2014 18:39

For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted.

Does anyone know who this is a quote by?

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:40

Where did you find it?

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:41

Is it Enoch?

Dawndonnaagain · 03/04/2014 18:41

It's Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech.

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:43

I won't say what my other guess was Blush

MajorGrinch · 03/04/2014 18:43

Hahahahahahhaha.

Haven't you twigged yet? You're a bunch of anonymous non-entities that are blathering on in an increasingly hysterical fashion & resorting to the good old tactic of shouting everyone that disagrees with you down.

You're not important and what you think doesn't matter! Grin

I'm important and I matter so I shall carry on and vote for whomever I choose!

Good Night All - try not to froth on your screens too much....

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:47

You ok there Grinch?

misssfemmefatale · 03/04/2014 18:47

What racism of ukip? They have Asian councilors, their Business spokesman is an asian man born in Bradford called Amjad bashir who I met a few years ago, a very nice man. Ukips past three successfull by elections have been led by female candidates so theyre hardly anti women. I don't see them being anti immigration either but against open border immigration for the whole of the EU.

nagynolonger · 03/04/2014 18:48

I watched the 2nd debate with six 17 and 18 year olds and my 21 year old in the room. All young males doing well at school and planning on staying in education/apprenticeships.

All are more than keen to vote in 2015 and all say they intend to vote UKIP.

We all live in a very safe Tory seat. Labour stand no chance here. Lib Dems have stuffed their generation and are all lying bastards (the lads said that not me). One also said that he feels at a disadvantage because he does feel 2nd class..... Not from a wealthy family, white, able-bodied and male.

I have known all these lads from toddlerhood (2 of them are my sons) and I can assure everyone that none of them are racist.

They see UKIP as the only alternative to what we have now. Their votes won't out the sitting Tory.

I'm not sure who I will vote for. Definitely not LibDems who I would love to see lose deposits.....especially Nick Clegg.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2014 18:49

Its a free country Major.
I do wish you could enlighten us as to why you think Farage isn't a Fat Cat, but nevermind.
When all else fails use ad hominem attacks.

Yep, its Enoch and I think its very important to point out the parallels between the comments made by some of this thread and that speech.

shakethetree · 03/04/2014 18:49

Bit early to be pissed MajorGrinch < checks watch >

fideline · 03/04/2014 18:51

The UKIP racism that sits alongside their homophobia and sexism.

misssfemmefatale · 03/04/2014 18:53

Give examples

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 19:01

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slug · 03/04/2014 19:04

Mussfemmefatale. That Asian businessman that you were so impressed with. Was he the UKIP spokesman who was revealed as the leader of a Pakastani kidnapping ring?

Misspixietrix · 03/04/2014 19:08

missfemme you need examples of them being what? Homophobic? Xenaphobic? The fact they have zero MPs and yet no one has still managed to tell me how he plans to govern the country without them? The whole. "We can't be racist/xenaphobic because we aren't white" is as bad as when Tommy Robertson claimed the EDL couldn't be racist because he tweeted a pic of one non white supporter on the tube. I agree with a PP it shouldn't need to be pointed out. Grinch the services are under pressure because of cuts. Not because of some immigration invasion or an Enoch Powell 'prediction'.