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to vote UKIP?

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runnerBeanee · 03/04/2014 09:02

Over time I have warmed to UKIP. I see the other parties as self serving bullshitters. Recently I looked at schools for dd, every local school is bursting at the seams, bulge years etc and it's likely I won't get a school of choice. I've been told be teachers and other parents that a high percentage of the children at said schools do not speak English, so rather than teaching maths, the teachers spend more time just trying to teach English to non English speakers.

I live in an average area, I've been told be friends in other areas that it's the same there. There's not enough housing, schools and NHS resources to cope with the levels of immigration. So which stupid power hungry politicians decided it was a good idea to allow all this immigration when there wasn't the infrastructure to cope with it or the funds to pay for more schools etc?

I'm not from a 'British' family myself and have plenty of non British friends, it's not about racism, it's common sense, you can't have an uncontrolled surge in population and expect public services to cope unless you're happy to pay for it. Though I'm sure the govt arehappy that this has caused wages to be driven down...

Aibu?

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fideline · 03/04/2014 14:58

Or thinking about Blush

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2014 15:09

fideline Thu 03-Apr-14 14:58:07
I have a horrible feeling we may end up with a ConKip coalition next year.

I agree.

I was also correct about the result of the last election so it really does worry me.

itsbetterthanabox · 03/04/2014 15:10

You can vote for who you want but I think voting for them is a mistake and very wrong.

peggyundercrackers · 03/04/2014 15:23

i think we will end up with a lablib coalition next year - clegg will turn to get back into power...

Misspixietrix so what if farage uses a company to pay less tax on a small amount of earnings - how is he any different to any other politician who has been managing their tax bill downwards? if hes only managing 45k worth of earnings down then hes doing much less than a lot of tory and labour MPs.

oxfordparent · 03/04/2014 15:38

The Tory proportion of the vote is pretty low and could go lower if many of its usual voters turn to UKIP. UKIP would have to have several MPs elected to warrant a coalition and this is unlikely (at least this is what I tell myself ...)

MajorGrinch · 03/04/2014 15:40

do you think for one second they will do away with their 'ist' policies because you don't like them should we have the misfortune to have these people in government?

I'm prepared to take that chance...

Having, during those four years, completely ruined the economy, education and health systems, decanted the disabled into the little ghettoes they're planning, criminalised homosexuality, sent a load of settled immigrants to somewhere that is definitely not 'home' for them, and made us a major laughing stock all over the world. Do you seriously want to risk even a fraction of that?

I think you're being a bit optimistic if you think they'll manage to get any of the above through the system & in to place in 4 short years, the population would have to vote them in for another term for them to have that much of an impact - and if that happens then they may be doing something right!

As for "laughing stock"! Too late methinks...

You know what, I honestly don't think they'll be anywhere near as damaging to the country as Blair & Brown were. I'm all for giving someone different a chance for once.

My Vote, My Choice!

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 15:48

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Misspixietrix · 03/04/2014 15:48

errr because it makes him a self serving hypocritical bullshitter that is why.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/03/ukip-nigel-farage-tax-avoidance_n_5082323.html

YouTheCat · 03/04/2014 15:51

Nice to know you're prepared to risk the lives of disabled people and the elderly for your own agenda, Grinch.

LadyRabbit · 03/04/2014 16:00

If current polls are to be believed, UKIP will outperform the Lib Dems, and with the Tory and Labour vote neck and neck, if the election were tomorrow either Labour or the Tories would need the UKIP vote to govern. Who are the most likely bedfellows? I can't see a UKIP-Lab coalition, can you? Moreover, many die hard Labour voters (myself included) cannot bear Milliband and are seriously torn, so unless Labour offer a better leader from out of thin air - because, let's face it, nobody in the shadow cabinet is up to much - Labour will lose ground. If the economic (bubble) recovery continues apace, only the Tories and UKIP will gain.

Or it could get really really interesting and the votes might be split 25/25/25/25 - unlikely, but possible. In some ways it's an exciting time for British politics because we seem to have a third-ish option. It's just a crying shame the third-ish option is so utterly, utterly shite and Labour just refuse to address the UKIP issue with anything approaching a positive policy.

I think voters are sick of the political blame gaming between the Tories and Labour. UKIP seem to be branding themselves policy wise rather than saying 'Labour/Tories say this, we say this'. They appear to be forging a manifesto based on one or two main issues (Lord knows how they would tackle climate change because according to them it's all the fault of The Gays). The party who will gain the most is the one who ignores the other parties and the Westminster bubble and focuses on the people. I don't believe that UKIP for one moment really give a shit about the people but they seem to be addressing them rather than their opponents in Westminster. Does any of this make sense? I know what I'm trying to say but I'm not sure I'm articulating it very well!

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 03/04/2014 16:01

I don't recognise your description of schools at all. Think you are talking bollocks and have bought in to every myth about immigrants that there is going. would love to know where you live. schools follow a curriculum so could'nt spend all their time teaching english even if they wanted to. one of our schools has over 57 languages spoken in it, they have a great OFSTED rating, and its a lovely welcoming school. My city is also a clearing city for asylum seekers and refugees, its trying hard to be a welcoming city and none of the schools with a high number of non english speakers is having the issues you describe. people who tout this kind of shit based on bullshit from a racist party and a few anecdotes without really knowing all the facts make me Angry

LadyRabbit · 03/04/2014 16:07

I'm in London, StepAway. The three nearest primary schools to me have the following percentages of children not speaking English as a first language: 86%, 74%, 70%

In my borough, the school with the most first language speakers still has 24% of kids with it as a second language. In the above three schools, I know for a fact that a lot of the parents barely speak English at all.

I repeat, I am of an Asian background myself, but one cannot ignore the facts or the reason why for some UKIP is an attractive voting proposition.

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 16:20

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fideline · 03/04/2014 16:21

It is a shame that that LadyRabbit has to cite her own ethnicity to have a hope of having her experience accepted by others.

Imagine being white, having honestly observed the same issues she has and being afraid to articulate the challenges faced by your own neighbourhood for fear of being branded a racist liar.

THAT is what is feeding the UKIP vote.

LadyRabbit · 03/04/2014 16:27

Yes, I take your point tiggytape votes don't equal seats. But let's imagine if the seats were split in that manner. (Or let's not, it's too grim a reality to contemplate.) I don't for a minute think its going to happen because UKIP simply don't have enough ground on a regional level and haven't had enough presence on councils. But I think the present coalition is the shape of things to come. I can't imagine seeing another Labour (or other) landslide à la 1997 in my lifetime again. Third way politics seems to have become one way in various shades of the same colour politics.

LadyRabbit · 03/04/2014 16:29

fideline you have put it perfectly. I cite it because I want to be honest and understand why a party I loathe and to a certain extent fear could be gaining so much ground.

slug · 03/04/2014 16:29

peggyundercrackers, the £45k is the money he makes from appearing on the telly and the like. He also earns:

MEP salary £79,000
Allowances £91,000 (tax free)
Both his wife and his mistress are employed, at the Tax payer's expense

He also claims to have claimed up to £2 million in non-salary expenses since he became an MEP

Nice little earner that job. No wonder he's so keen to keep it.

SirChenjin · 03/04/2014 16:31

Two words - Tony Blair.

If you want an example of someone on a nice little earner, he's your man

tiggytape · 03/04/2014 16:45

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ouryve · 03/04/2014 16:52

Political terms are all 5 years, now, remember. An awful lot can be done in 5 years.

MajorGrinch · 03/04/2014 17:03

Nice to know you're prepared to risk the lives of disabled people and the elderly for your own agenda, Grinch.

Oh DFOD. Idiots will spout hysterical claptrap like that till the cows come home but nobody batted an eyelid when Blair & all those after him risked and lost the lives of the young and able-bodied in their illegal wars.....

But yes, I'm prepared to take that minimal risk thanks.

It won't happen for the reasons others mention upthread. But I'm no longer prepared to give the useless fat cats my stamp of approval to keep wrecking things.

YouTheCat · 03/04/2014 17:06

Yeah of course - like the NHS will never be privatised or the Royal Mail and disabled people will never be at risk of losing their homes... Hmm

And you really think Farage isn't one of those 'fatcats'? And you call me an idiot? Confused

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2014 17:17

But I'm no longer prepared to give the useless fat cats my stamp of approval to keep wrecking things.

So enlighten me. Why are you considering voting for UKIP then?

Thank you for proving my point upthread about ignorance

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2014 17:22

Wiki entry about Dear Nigel

Background
Farage was born in Herne, Kent, on 3 April 1964, to Guy Justus Oscar Farage and Barbara Stevens. The Farage name comes from Huguenot ancestry. His father was a stockbroker who worked in the City of London financial district. A profile on BBC Radio 4 claimed he was an alcoholic and he left the family home when Nigel was five years old.

Farage was educated at Dulwich College, a public school in south London. On leaving school in 1982, he decided not to go to university, but to work in the City trading commodities. Initially, he joined the American commodity brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, transferring to Credit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986. He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.

Not a Fatcat you say...

....ok.