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To wonder why friends think you'd want to pay £500 each for a weekend to celebrate their birthday?

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Birthdayquery · 09/03/2014 19:00

NC for this.

I've been pondering this for a while now.

Most of my friends are the same age and over the next few months we'll all turn 40.

One friend has planned a weekend away for her birthday which will cost £500 per person (not clear if it's a girly weekend or couples as she is single).

This isn't a joint celebration thing as she is inviting a lot of people outside of our circle iykswim.

Is it only me that thinks a birthday with a zero on the end is really just another birthday and if we all expected each other to fork out a grand per couple to celebrate each one we'd all be skint Hmm

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NewBeginings · 09/03/2014 19:44

I would love to be able to afford to take my mates away for my birthday, but realistically I couldn't, so I would invite them to come but wouldn't be at all offended if anyone said no. I would be slightly offended if they called me arrogant just for inviting them though!

Merlotmonster · 09/03/2014 19:44

for my 40th I hired a stunning manor for 20 friends..I paid for the accommodation and did all the catering..the only thing I put on the invite was 'bring a bottle!'. I saved for 2 years - £50 per month (shared half the costs with my twin sister!), to ensure that no-one would have to go to additional expense. I think its quite a big ask for people to leave their families for a weekend, so I wanted to make it an easier choice.....All 20 people came along..(many offered to chip in too.)..I cant imagine emailing and asking for £500 per person!!! jees where are you going...my accommodation was £1800, food around £500, plus drink, another £500...even split amongst 20, that's only £100 per head..?

thegreylady · 09/03/2014 19:44

I am 70 this month and to celebrate we will have egg and chips for tea (my favourite) on the day and some friends for a meal at the weekend. When I was 60 we rented a big house in the Dales for family and friends and we paid everything except travel and I can't remember any other zero birthdays being special at all. Why on earth pay £500 to celebrate someone else's birthday?

Merlotmonster · 09/03/2014 19:46

for my 40th I hired a stunning manor for 20 friends..I paid for the accommodation and did all the catering..the only thing I put on the invite was 'bring a bottle!'. I saved for 2 years - £50 per month (shared half the costs with my twin sister!), to ensure that no-one would have to go to additional expense. I think its quite a big ask for people to leave their families for a weekend, so I wanted to make it an easier choice.....All 20 people came along..(many offered to chip in too.)..I cant imagine emailing and asking for £500 per person!!!

Merlotmonster · 09/03/2014 19:47

sorry for re-posting...sunday drinking! opps..plus read where you where going so deleted my last couple of sentences! .......as you were people!

cricketpitch · 09/03/2014 19:50

As others have said - you don't have to go.

I went to New York to celebrate a friend's birthday. There were ten of us. I was under no pressure to go but it was one of the best weekends I have ever had and I am so glad we did it. There are many such weekends that I have turned down though - just depends on money and circumstances at the time.
Same with weddings, Christenings, any sort of party. People have aright to organize what they want to. No-one has to go.

Birthdayquery · 09/03/2014 19:50

I don't think I've got it out of proportion newbeginings

I'm very much of the opinion that if you want to do something extravagant- fine.

If part of that extravagance is asking your friends to be there then you pay for it.

I have done so several times.

And the is isn't about me saying I can't afford it and think she should pay. I can afford it but don't want to spend that kind of money for one birthday when 7 of us are 40 this year.

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OutragedFromLeeds · 09/03/2014 19:51

The 500 is for the weekend away, which I assume is supposed to be fun!! The 500 isn't for her birthday, it's for travel/hotel/food. You can enjoy a weekend break and celebrate someone's birthday at the same time.

If you won't enjoy the weekend, don't go. It's that simple.

Hassled · 09/03/2014 19:53

I do get it's just an invitation etc and the OP can say no, but if she didn't have her wedding get-out she'd be in a horribly awkward position - it's easy to tell the OP to "just say no" but far harder to do it, especially if they're old friends. I really don't think anyone should put someone else in that position. There's a sense of entitlement there that I find very uncomfortable.

rookiemater · 09/03/2014 19:54

You're living up to your name there merlotmonster !

For my 40th I really wanted to go skiing so I arranged a girlie ski trip abroad, anyone who wanted to was welcome to come and as it wasn't on my actual birthday it was more about something I wanted to do, as it turned out a few friends wanted to as well and it was fab. So OP to me it depends what the 500 is for - if she is planning a weekend abroad somewhere and has friends that can afford it and want to go, then why shouldn't she. Ok it's sad that it's not for you, but you could go out for dinner or do something else with her instead.

Birthdayquery · 09/03/2014 19:55

Sorry- meant to add newbeginings this weekend will only work if there is a big crowd - it's not like saying 'I'm going here for my birthday- join me if you want'

If no one else went, she wouldn't go,

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angeltulips · 09/03/2014 20:01

Gosh, are you looking for things to be offended about?

It's a 3 night trip - doesn't seem excessively priced to me. And If its in the uk it can't be that far away that a 2 night trip is out of the question.

All of which is by the by - as the others have said, just decline if you can't/don't want to go! Personally I love excuses to go away with friends as tend to default to family holidays which are nice but sometimes it's great to meet up with chums. But that's just me.

meganorks · 09/03/2014 20:01

Well some people would be happy to do that. You aren't, so don't go. When you are childless and single and earning a decent wage you can just think of what you'd like to do and see if your friends want to do it too. Usually there is some sort of occasion for these things. Some people like to make a big thing of birthdays.

I really don't get the mn hysteria about hen dos and stuff like this. If you don't want to go or can't afford it then don't go! And if this person is your friend then why don't you just bloody tell them that! I wouldn't have a problem with saying that to any of my friends

MadBusLady · 09/03/2014 20:08

I think parkfun makes a good point. I haven't had a wedding or children either and I will be hiring the Eiffel Tower for my 40th! Possibly.

winterhat · 09/03/2014 20:12

YANBU. If you invite people to celebrate your birthday then you pay. If you can't afford to take your friends ski-ing then you do something else.

NewBeginings · 09/03/2014 20:12

But that was the point op, if there are friends who are up for it then they will go and have a fab time, and why not? But if no one is up for it then she will probably suggest something else. I just don't understand why she should be banned from even suggesting it!

NewBeginings · 09/03/2014 20:15

But winter I have paid for myself to go on trips away to celebrate friends birthdays before, and why shouldn't i? If my friend can't afford to pay for all of us and I would like to oh and I choose to spend my money on why shouldn't i?? I always have the option of saying no if I don't want to. If me and my friends only ever suggested celebrating our birthdays with an event that the birthday person could afford to pay for everyone then we would constantly be having mcdonalds parties :)

Birthdayquery · 09/03/2014 20:15

I find some of the responses on here very strange and would love to see what people would actually do in the same situation.

We live about as far south as you can in the UK and the venue is in the North of Scotland so 'popping in' isn't an option.

None of us are on the breadline but we don't have a grand spare to spend on one birthday on the whim of someone else.

As I've said, I'm not going anyway so it is pretty much irrelevant, but I don't think it is right to put your friends in this predicament.

It's very easy to say 'I'd tell my friend her plans are out of order' but when it comes to the crunch, if they have thought it is appropriate to ask this, telling them they are out of order isn't that easy.

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catsmother · 09/03/2014 20:17

We go away quite often fir weekends that cost that sort of money. But I can afford it. Maybe the majority of the friends can. Better that you were invited than not just because you can't afford it. That would be horrid

I agree .... not being asked at all is horrid. But then again, when friends know that the cost of such a proposed weekend (or any other activity) is completely beyond your reach it's a bit of a backhanded "compliment" - so to speak - to be "asked" anyway when they know their invitation will be declined out of necessity.

It's a difficult one because I've been in this position and eventually drifted away from friends because I simply couldn't afford to join in with the sort of things they could afford to do - and wanted to do - which meant they were building up shared experiences, shared history, shared "in jokes" that meant nothing to me.

Years and years ago - before I split from my oldest child's dad - I had what I thought was a group of good friends - who were all childless BTW, and therefore had reasonable disposable income .... but I was able to join in with stuff around 2/3 of the time - enough to "keep in the loop" which was fine by me .... I didn't feel left out of anything. But my circumstances changed radically when I became a single mum and it was all I could do to keep paying the bills. There was no way I could regularly go away on weekends, or go into London for meals and theatre, or do "girlie" activities like spa days etc.

I was still asked - at least at first - to come along, but after I'd apologised lots of times, always saying that I'd love to, but I just didn't have the money and the invites inevitably dried up. Unfortunately, my suggestions for more affordable (for me) meet-ups every so often weren't met with much enthusiasm - and I'm afraid that really hurt. I do understand that if you have money to spare, it's great to do what you want but at the same time, if you want the company of people who aren't as well off as you then you should also be prepared to "slum it" once in a blue moon so you can keep in touch. It wasn't as if I was expecting my friends to sit on a wall swigging from a shared bottle of cheap cider ..... I suggested meals in, film nights or - heaven forbid - a simple night in with wine and chocs and a good old gossip. It really hit me hard when all my suggestions were dismissed as being too boring and I had to face up to the fact that my so-called friends just weren't "into" me. Fact was, I didn't think I was a ^different" person because I now had less money - but bottom line seemed to be that I was welcome only if I could do what the majority wanted to do.

As you can tell, it still really affects me now - almost 20 years later - because I really thought these people were decent genuine friends until I found myself effectively ostracised because I no longer had as much money.

So .... it's all very well saying people can celebrate as they wish etc etc etc and it "doesn't matter" so long as the birthday girl/boy, bride/groom or whoever doesn't get offended by your absence but IMO, it's not always as black and white as that. Fact is, most of us would like to think that people we consider to be our friends - and we hope the feeling is mutual - would want to include as many of their friends in their celebrations and special times as possible .... and though it may be a radical opinion, I therefore kind of feel that if you really want all the people who are special to you there you try to tailor the celebration so that everyone can join in. Or do something like Merlot did - which I think was incredibly thoughtful and generous .... and as she said, I'm not surprised that people then offered to chip in with what they could afford because I'm sure they all really appreciated her thoughtfulness.

I guess if you're pretty confident that ALL your friends can afford to do something amazing AND expensive then there's nothing wrong in doing it. But personally, if, say, 8 out of a group of 10 could afford something special but 2 couldn't, and it was a major event which we'd be talking about and reminiscing about for years to come I'd feel pretty bad for the two left out - regardless of whether or not they'd been "invited". I'd prefer to do something we could ALL do and save the money I would have otherwise spent on something more extravagant for a different sort of birthday treat .... maybe with my children, or with my OH, or with my best friend.

NewBeginings · 09/03/2014 20:17

But you would only need to say thank you for the invite but I can't afford to join you, hope you have a great time.
You wouldn't need to pronounce her suggestion as being out of order!

NewBeginings · 09/03/2014 20:21

Aw catsmother if I was your friend I would love hanging out at yours/mine with a bottle of wine and some chocs. They must have been a bit shallow if EVERY social occasion had to be all bells and whistles. Having said that I would still think that a birthday etc is an occasion where it's ok to splash out and do something special, but I certainly don't think every meet up needs to be expensive to be fun.

winterhat · 09/03/2014 20:22

The birthday person is going to be ruling out those who would have liked to attend, but can't afford to. Whereas if you invite a certain number and provide for them, all guests are given an equal chance to attend. The wealthier ones can choose a fancier do and if they're paying, no-one gets left out. If it's always "come if you can afford it" then a lot of people will get left out much of the time.

winterhat · 09/03/2014 20:24

If someone kept inviting me on things I couldn't afford I'd assume they didn't really want me there anyway. If you really want people to attend then you offer them an option that they can reasonably afford.

Birthdayquery · 09/03/2014 20:25

But newbeginings, I can technically afford to do it but would rather spend £1,000 doing something of my choosing than going on a weekend to somewhere I have no inclination to go.

That kind of money would pay a significant chunk towards a family holiday.

How do you propose you tell someone 'I can afford to go but I don't want to'?

I just don't think it is right to put friends in that position.

The wording of the email invite was very much 'I want to do this and it'll cost you this' it wasn't 'I'm doing this and I'd love you to join me if you can'

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NewBeginings · 09/03/2014 20:25

Maybe it's just me and my friends but I know if I said to them, right for my birthday we can either all go for fish and chips, and I'll pay for everyone, or we can go somewhere special and all pay for ourselves then they would always choose the second option! In fact we usually do it where we chip in for the birthday person so they get a free night out and everyone else pays for them.

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