To love Prince Charles

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I think he is great. He is my favorite celebrity/public figure and I wish he was king of england.

This is what I find so sad fideline, that he didn't have the balls to stand up to his own mother - he was 32 and clearly in love with someone else. He should have told Liz to fuck off and married Camilla when he wanted to. Yes, he'd have to give up the crown, but what's more important to him?

He was utterly spineless over the whole thing - and Diana got caught in the subsequent shitstorm.

TeamHank

Did you miss the Dianna bed hopping Olympics?

I think she won gold.

I don't think they're going to cull royalists - turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

Love that they're taking a nanny and a hairdresser - didn't take Waity Katey long to drop her, "I'm just a normal gal, who's going to raise my kid in a normal life" bullshit did it?!

Of course I didn't miss it caruthers - what I do miss is your point?

Caruthers
"Loving the ridiculous term 'Monarchy apologists'."

just another term to try and stop posters that don't agree.
Maybe we should ban the term apologist.

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I don't care about the royals. I just don't believe that Diana was innocent in any of this. I think that those that believe that she was innocent have bought in to her manipulation of people through the press.

If you're missing my point then I suggest you actually read the thread.

Oh it's all PC's fault he hurt the poor girl.

She wasn't half bad at this little game herself was she

"innocent" in what way?

Once I had realised that my husband was in love with someone else and was continuing that relationship then I would happily have my own affairs too. What's good for the goose . . .

It wasn't the Queen, it was the entire establishment and the weight of centuries of history and protocol. I think she had tried to buy him time to form a love match.

Even once he had 'lost' Camilla, if the 'virgin' criterion could have been bent he might have found someone older and more worldly-wise to rub along with. But it was unthinkable. Remember the fuss in 1986 because Sarah Ferguson had previously cohabited. That was only overlooked because Andrew wasn't in the direct line of succession.

We have come so far in thirty years, the urgent concerns of 1981 are almost unthinkable now.

I have read the thread - don't believe for one minute she was an innocent little girl. Don't be so condescending.

You're full of excuses teamhank.

Absolutely full of them.

"I don't think they're going to cull royalists - turkeys don't vote for Christmas!"

Maybe an airlift then? Then the place will be free to become a transportation colony for Republicans.

TeamHank

IMHO PC would be quite at home on what has been named the "stately homes" threads. (no pun intended)

"Love that they're taking a nanny and a hairdresser - didn't take Waity Katey long to drop her, "I'm just a normal gal, who's going to raise my kid in a normal life" bullshit did it?! grin"

Dreadful woman. Not hired a British nanny either. Who is advising those two? More old Etonians?

I like Charles but feel he's in the wrong job.
I like Camilla - much better than Diana whom I always thought was sly.

Phillip is my favourite royal

Actually I think what PC has grasped well is 'noblesse oblige', the need to spread some of his privilege around. He doesn't seem to have communicated it well to his eldest though.

Charles had a bit of a shite upbringing albeit with advantage and luxury.

Think about it, his parents fucked off for six months when he was a child, he had amiserable time at boarding school and he had to marry a woman with no 'past wheb he was an adult.

Diana was an innocent at 19 but she too had had a traumatic childhood, I don't think she had any idea of what she was gettibg into and was looking for security, little did she know.

He should have married Camilla when they first met but hey, hindsight and all that!

He should have ... married Camilla when he wanted to. Yes, he'd have to give up the crown, but what's more important to him?

That seems to be the point - he wants it all and like a spoilt child expects to get it, no matter what the cost to others

Yes, it must be hard to hold onto reality when you're surrounded by toadies, but he'd do better to keep his views to himself instead of lecturing us about how to live. Given his profligate lifestyle, the hypocrisy of his yapping about the environment, for example, just sticks in my craw

Concerning his "marriage" to C, remember that we can't know if they're legally married at all. There was a report on the issue before it took place, but that report has been sealed during Charles' lifetime at his own insistence. We can only wonder why ..... ??

His choices were not his own Puzzled. THAT is the point.

Oh do get a grip of course they are legally married. And very happily, evidently.

If course the marriage is legal, registery office job then a blessing.

It was on the telly you know!

Why would it be dodgy < mmn, strokes chin and ponders>

bollocks

Why would it be dodgy

Like everyone else, I can't know because the Chancellor's report into the legality (or otherwise) of the marriage has been sealed. Turning that round, if the report given them the go-ahead, why is Charles so keen to have it kept secret during his lifetime? Isn't it more likely he'd have wanted everyone to know how right he was? He's keen enough to take that line on countless other matters, after all

to be honest they have been thoughtfully spoilt and cosseted from the cradle.

it's not surprising that adults who are living their lives like spoilt toddlers act like spoilt toddlers.

I always see Charlies like an annoying teenager blaming all his troubles on his mummy and daddy.

he was married to Diana at 32!!!! 32 ffs bloody wet fart.

Oh do get a grip of course they are legally married

I didn't say they weren't, fideline - I said we can't know if they actually ARE

Personally I'd have thought that's the sort of thing the public should know about when we're talking about a future king ...

monarchy apologists. think that's fairly good actually.

'Mummy and Daddy' aren't usually constitutionally required to grant official approval to a 32 year old's marriage though, are they? Well it was just his Mum and she was bound hand and foot by protocol herself.

"I didn't say they weren't, fideline - I said we can't know if they actually ARE"

What a very bizarre remark.