To love Prince Charles

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I think he is great. He is my favorite celebrity/public figure and I wish he was king of england.

Yabu everytime i see this spoilt unemployed man and his second wife on tv i shudder. Even my fil who royalist says charlie helps the republic cause. Mind you william and harry seem well grounded and id be alot happier if they just jumped to willuam. I dont think im the only one. Read somewhere about charlies and his butler cleaning his pjs. (really didnt want to know the details). I will never support him and hope the queen outlives him!

fideline, don't you think PC made Diana unhinged? She was only 19 when dragged into that unholy alliance, and treated like absolute shit by the queen and her vile mother.

No, i don't think I could bring myself to bow or curtsey either Body but then I'm not really expecting the situation to come up!

Let's face it, we are stuck with the system. There will be no revolution.

I think the Queen, Charles and Anne do work hard actually. It's the generation after that that worries me.

Hermione, you can be up to 30 for help setting up a business not 25. Also the Enterpise programme is only one of many things that are offered. There are grants courses and so much more. And it is free. But I am biased as I work there.

working hard is doing a job to pay your mortgage and bills. it's looking after your kids and juggling responsibilities. it's doing your own cleaning, washing, cooking and planning your own life and leisure activities. like functioning adults do

they donot work hard. they attend functions where speeches are written for them and other people have don't the spade work and research so they can chat a free lines to the great unwashed.

they spend an inordinate amount of time on holiday.

they have no worries what so ever.

they are essentially grown up toddlers!

Hank I think she had pre-existing problems and she should never have been in such an artificial relationship or such a high-pressure position. The only people who could have forseen this, her family (and particularly her grandmother), had had their heads turned by such a prestigious match and did nothing.

I actually think there is considerable evidence that PC bent over backwards to reassure her and get her help, over a period of years.

I'd recognise that description if you were discussing the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, Body

Diana herself knew it wasn't a love match

It was very sad - she was a useful virgin and produced an heir and a spare as required.

The queen treated her abysmally by all accounts - she's the one I've never understood all the affection for tbh. Comes across as a cold, hard hearted, miserable bitch to me.

Do you think? I always think of the Queen as being limited by her position, but essentially kind.

I don't think even a strong, willful personality would do well in the RF, let alone someone with real problems.

Unfortunately William has inherited a good dollop of willfullness, which will cause problems, i reckon.

Diana was an Earl's daughter, the family had been hobnobbing with Royalty for 4 centuries, she may have been 19 but she was part of the top level of the aristocracy and knew the score, she knew about hunting shooting fishing and balmoral stuff, she knew the mores and morals of that type of society, her father had mistresses etc, she did know her job was to provide heirs and to play second fiddle and support the Prince of Wales I'm not saying any of this is good or desirable just that she knew what was entering, she was not an innocent thrown in with wolves; It was not a surprise in the way that it would have been if kate had married william at age 19, Kate was not used to those circles, Diana was, she was brought up in it from birth, her sisters worked with royalty her father had, her brothers in law also had been part of royal household

what Charles did was wrong but she behaved very badly too and refused to take advice about how to deal with the pressure etc

fideline I disagree and think she did feel it wasn't love match. if she didn't she would have simply hung in in there and carried in her own life.

she was bitter and angry because she really did belive in the marriage fairytale.

sorry she did feel it was a love match.

Exactly teacup it wasn't as though he found her working the pick 'n' mix counter at woolworths.

Body I really don't think a normal person would have thought she was involved in a fairy-tale romance. I certainly don't think PC bothered to dress it up that far.

If she did think that, it was probably the first clue to something being wrong. Shame no-one picked up on it.

Fideline, I've never seen any evidence of her kindness. She may be limited by her position, but she could learn to smile!!

And all the pant wetting that went on about that ludicrous Olympics video was soooooo embarrassing!

I think her, and all the RF, let W & H down badly when their mum died. Taking them to a church service on the Sunday morning where their mum was not mentioned is deeply fucked up.

in no way am I a Diana fan but she was an innocent 19 year old girl who had been at boarding school most of her life.

to quote her she was 'as thick as a plank' so yes I do think she felt Charles loved her as she had no real idea of what love was. I seem to remember Charles actually saying those words at their engagement news.

my dm shouted at the tv 'he doesn't love you petal don't marry him'

horrible family.

not sure that trusting your husband to be not to be shaggibg someone else is signs of mental illness.

Yes he did - the interviewer asked if they were in love and Diana said something like, "yes, of course" and PC said "whatever love is".

It was a deeply embarrassing scene - I can't believe he didn't have the sense to lie, dickhead .

team yes I remember it was embarrassing and these days would have been picked over by sky news.

we were more deferential then perhaps although there are a fair few monarchy apologists on here too.

yes, he would have been slaughtered for it now!

There are still a surprising number of people who think they're amazing and are happy with all the forelock tugging and general sycophancy - it never fails to shock me. Especially if they come across as otherwise intelligent people.

Loving the ridiculous term 'Monarchy apologists'.

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they're all off to Oz by the look of things - I'll stay here then!

Lady Fermoy, her gran, had coached her. She knew it was arranged but she was possibly still hoping for more and seeing things that weren't there.

He, poor sod, was in an impossible position. 'What ever love means' was probably the closest he could publicly get to an honest answer. I don't think the public deceit/hypocrisy sat well with him at all, but he'd been told to propose to her, so he did.

Do you think they are the Royalist culling team Hank? I don't suppose Royals would have difficulty getting guns through customs.