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Was I Unreasonable to this child?

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iamsoannoyed · 01/03/2014 23:24

I was at a party with DD (aged 5)- she was a guest, not her party. It was at a place which has a soft play area beside the cafe (party rooms upstairs). The children had just played ten-pin bowling, and were coming through to play in the soft play area.

I was sitting with some of the other mums having coffee when one of DDs friends, whose mum I am reasonably friendly with and has been to our house/DD has been to hers, came over. She poked me in the stomach and said "haha, your kid came last". Those were her exact words.

I was a Shock. I said to her "please don't talk to me like that, it's very rude. And you can't be the best at everything, so it's not very kind to tease people for being last.". I did not shout or raise my voice and did not get out of my chair.

She went red, ran off and I thought no more of it.

Her granny had brought her to the party. I don't think granny had noticed this exchange, but one of the other mums did and we both just raised an eyebrow. This little girl has been known to throw strops with the other children if she doesn't get her way and is also known as a bit of a madam at times, but is basically a normal little girl.

I got a phone call tonight from the girls mum to say she was very cross that I had "disciplined" her daughter. She thought I should have waited until I got home and then called her to raise my concerns.

I explained what had happened, and stated while I thought it was rude and fairly unpleasant behaviour on her DDs part and she needed a reminder that you shouldn't speak to adults like that, I didn't think it warranted a phone call home after the party (and hours after the "incident") as that was just making a mountain out of a molehill. Had the girl's mother been there, I would have mentioned what had happened.

I imagine her DD would probably have forgotten all about the incident by the end of the party, and would have been a bit confused as to what the fuss was about.

Was I unreasonable? I really genuinely don't think I was.

I would expect any other adult to have acted similarly if my DD had spoken to them like this (and would have been fairly mortified that she had done so).

TBH, I think I should just avoid play dates with DD and this girl, as I will not have a child in my house who I cannot even ask to behave in an acceptable manner in my own home in case her parents are upset by this.

OP posts:
Aeroflotgirl · 04/03/2014 17:15

The little girl,sound ill disciplined and bad mannered thanksto her mum. Leave it with the teacher and tell dd to stay away from that group. It's not the girls fault her mother is a useless parent!

ApocalypseThen · 04/03/2014 17:17

That child has the potential to be dangerous, and so has her dreadful mother. I'd really sever any relationship at this point. It's absolutely intolerable.

shewhowines · 04/03/2014 17:25

Encourage dd to tell her teacher of any future problems. You try to stay out of everything now. Let school sort it.

You are well out of the lift situation. It was bound to end in tears. It just happened sooner than any of us anticipated.

SusanneLinder · 04/03/2014 17:31

Just stay away from both of them and tell your DD to do same as this is going to grow arms and legs now. You were in the right in the beginning but this s now overkill.

TamerB · 04/03/2014 18:57

I agree with the others-just don't get involved in any way. Don't get drawn into discussions and don't rise to bait. Have nothing to do with her-it is trouble.

NewtRipley · 04/03/2014 19:34

I am really surprised you agreed to the lift thing. You think little of the mum and yet you were drawn into her emotional blackmail.

perfectstorm · 04/03/2014 20:04

I think this is the point to back right off, let the teacher handle it, and politely say to the mother that as you have such different parenting styles you think it's unfair on the kids to get caught up in it, so the lift arrangement isn't going to work. Reassure your dd but tell her this will blow over if it isn't turned into a big drama, to be pleasant and polite but not to try to be friends with the kid right now, wait until the dust settles and focus on other friends for now.

The kid is 6. It's human to be enraged with a child upsetting yours, but the real issue here is with the mother, and her lack of boundaries, and not the poor child being wound up like this. It has the potential to blow up into something it doesn't need to be, which would make things hard for both kids for a long time to come. I'd just focus on soothing your dd and reducing the situation to size - her response will largely mirror yours.

DS has a friend he's known half his life, who has another friend, in their class at school, who is an evil little brat (clearly an appropriate way to describe a 5 year old, yes) who does stuff such as run the length of the playground at hometime, when DS has fallen over and hurt himself and is crying in my arms, to tell him he can cry harder now because DS' friend is coming to his house, and DS is not invited. Said evil little brat is only just 5. He is also spoiled as hell and runs to mummy every single time anything goes wrong, and she keeps him home "when he is sad" if another kid is "mean to him". They are, sometimes - one told mine he'd shoved the other out of a door, assuming mine would think it was funny, but he hates conflict and told me "that was naughty too, wasn't it?" At the moment, mine is being told he can't play with the vile brat, King Wasp (who orders the rest around) and his friend unless he eats snacks they approve of. Bananas are not allowed and nor is dried fruit. DS was asking me to ensure his snacks were on the approved list, and it took all I had after my initial Shock and Angry to cheerfully tell him no, I wouldn't alter the menu, and he was just to say, "Oh dear, that's a shame, I'll have to play with N and R today instead, as I like bananas" and to walk away. DS, seeing my original horror, had asked if he should talk to the teacher... but the thing is, that would escalate it, and also not teach DS how to manage things in an assertive, non-victimy way. He needs to make it clear that he's nobody's doormat, but he also needs to be calm and not turn it into a war, as these kids are currently frenemies, at worst. So I explained that he could just make it politely clear that he won't be told what to do by other kids, and will just walk away from efforts to make him, but not to turn a silly thing into a big deal, and to play with them happily if they weren't telling him what to do. Which is what's happened for the rest of this week, it seems. But though he's happy enough now with them, I'm still spitting chips on the inside.

I suppose the point of that rather garbled story is that our own protective anger is inevitable, but I think there's a real risk in reacting in a way that soothes those feelings, and doesn't help the kids work it out. I swallow down dislike and anger with evil little brat when socialising with his mother because any real dislike and hostility will inevitably affect their situation, and for all I know they'll be best friends in a year or two. Kids this age change so fast and the politics is so endless, and we have to try, somehow, to give them the tools to negotiate those waters, because we can't be there with them.

Sorry if that makes no sense. It's something I am having to work so hard on, myself, because I am angry to see my sweet, kind kid be told what to eat and who he can play with, and while I am trying to equip him with the tools to handle that diplomatically, while being nobody's punchbag, my instinct is to ask the teacher to stop it (I may still have to, but I so hope not) or to tackle the parents. But that is about my own hurt at the behaviour, and wouldn't help them.

I recognise that this mother has created and is fuelling the situation with her own protective mother instincts being so out of whack with proportionality, so it's rather different. But I do think it's easy to let our love for our kids get in the way of detachment, and thinking about their long term best interests. My mother always used to charge in to fight my battles, and it did me no favours - in the end, I stopped telling her my problems. Which was a very lonely place to be.

I hope that isn't patronising and I'm I'm sorry if it sounds it. (I'm also very sleep deprived and hormonal, so lucidity and tact is low!) It's just something I am rather painfully working on myself right now. It hurts to see your kids deal with this, doesn't it. DH said to me the other night, "I don't like having kids. It hurts when they're coping with this." I'm sorry you are, too. Sad

shewhowines · 04/03/2014 20:18

Good post perfect

adoptmama · 04/03/2014 20:23

I think you actually did the 'right' thing in agreeing to the lift because you were actually showing child A that there were no ill feelings after the party incident. That would - in normal circumstances - have reinforced the message she was given before about appropriate ways to behave.

Unfortunately you are dealing with one of those parents. The fact she has essentially agreed with you when you said her DD said she'd been told she could ignore you is fucking outrageous. What normal parent asks another adult to help out with caring for their child and then tells the child to ignore anything she wants to. The mother is an idiot.

You did the right thing in speaking to the teacher. Whether you spoke to the mother or the school about her child there would still be fall-out. Speaking to the school is the right thing to do. My own DD has had similar problems (same age too more or less) with a life long friend who is a manipulative little madam. Her mother and I were friends - emphasis on 'were' - and for a long time I ignored this woman's treatment of my DD because of that friendship: slightly unpleasant comments, seeming to always find the fault was my DDs if the girls fought etc. My attitude has always been 'let them sort it out themselves' if they argued. The other woman's has been to sail in, 'rescue' her child, blame everyone else, insist her child is holier-than-thou etc. Finally got fed up - pointed out that her latest complaint about my child's comments were valid but had been a reaction to equally nippy comments by her DD; mother stopped speaking to me then launched a vicious unprovoked verbal attacked my child on the playground (luckily another parent was there, intervened and told me) and her DD began to bully mine. Her mother is now hunting for reasons to complain to school about my child! It is a horrendous situation. Communication between myself and this former friend are impossible. My point (apart from venting about this bitch on an exfriend) is that we often go a long way to avoid conflicts but with some people whatever you do there will eventually be a conflict because they are total fucking fruitloops. Nothing you do or say will be right and sooner or later you have to take a stand - as you have done - to protect your own child.

When you see the teacher tomorrow be honest - as I have had to be - and tell her about the incident at the party and how this seems to be at the root of the problem. The child has lied about you, been thoroughly unpleasant when in your care and is now venting her anger at being 'corrected' by bullying your DD. Complain and complain again. Absolutely children do need to learn to sort out their own problems, but equally when their behaviour crosses over into bullying rather than normal childhood disagreements, we need to protect the victims and stop the bullying.

LouiseAderyn · 04/03/2014 20:33

I agree that you need to stop having conversations with the mother about this and go through the teacher, regarding anything which happens at school. The other mother is never going to see reason, so no point talking to her. I would not be doing her any favours in the future wrt lifts etc - she's burnt her bridges there.

perfect - you are doing the right thing on equipping your ds to deal with horrible behaviour from other dc, but I do strongly believe that the teacher should be made aware of what is going on and it should be nipped in the bud by the school. It is too much for a little boy to handle all by himself imho.

adoptmama · 04/03/2014 20:36

Perfect agree with what Louise says above because, whilst you son may be dealing well with the situation, other children may be on the receiving end of this behaviour and not be coping as well with it. As a teacher, I always feel it is better if we know this kind of thing is going on so we can find those 'teachable moments' to gently point out these things are not nice.

perfectstorm · 04/03/2014 21:04

Oh, I agree in this case the teacher needs to know (sorry, having reread I see I didn't make that clear when saying I realised the situations were different), because the situation is overtly nasty (in DS' case, I can avoid that at this stage and I don't want to be a mother who whines at every chance, if that makes sense? I love DS' teacher and am certain she'd deal with it well, but at this point, I don't think there is yet anything serious enough to deal with and hopefully it won't turn into that). I just don't think making it so clear to the girl(s) in question that the teacher knows is that helpful so early on, because it sort of entrenches the situation in the children's eyes, perhaps? Satisfying as I'd have found the little brats' going scarlet, I would worry they would just take that out on her dd later.

I also agree with Mama that continuing the lift arrangement was a good idea, as 95% of the time, it would all have blown over, and ending it would have just caused the drama you sought to avoid. Unfortunately this mother is not seemingly able to see the woods for the trees, to put it tactfully. Over-invested isn't even close, is it?

I don't think OP is doing anything wrong. I just worry that continued escalation could harm the kids, and the other mother is quite batshit enough to march into school and insist the teacher does something the other way, now her child has new cause of complaint.

perfectstorm · 04/03/2014 21:08

Okay, having read both your comments again (sorry, brand new baby) I will go and talk to the teacher. At the moment it's not aimed at anyone else that I know of, but actually the fact another child thought mine would appreciate the brat being shoved indicates something is awry, even if mine isn't directly involved in whatever it is and didn't like seeing that. So I suppose it helps a little with an overall picture?

Aeroflotgirl · 05/03/2014 08:08

I agree perfect with your post, it would be good if op taught her dd to be assertive, but at tge same time if it escalates and turns to bullying, Than op dd should be encouraged strongly to tell a teacher.

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