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To be hurt by 'best friends' Facebook post?

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MrsDrRanj · 19/02/2014 19:51

I know I know, it's just Facebook, please don't stone me!

I have been close with my best friends for over 10 years, we have both supported eachother through some very tough times. Including an abortion I had when I was 15. I didn't get much professional support and struggled with the decision for a long time, in fact it's something I still struggle with today and still think about.

Being my best friend she knows all this, she knows it is a sensitive subject and the torment I went through afterwards.

Last night she posted a picture on Facebook, that had a picture of a pregnant woman with an arrow pointing to her saying 'your body' and an arrow pointing to her pregnant belly saying 'somebody else's body' and the headline 'it's not your decision - abortion is murder'

I texted her saying 'ouch, that pic hurt' and she messaged saying 'I'm not trying to offend anyone but I agree with it'

I know everybody is entitled to their views, but aibu to think this was really insensitive and unnecessary? She is not just a random person who knows I have had an abortion, she is my best friend who knows how much it hurt me and supported me through it.

I almost feel betrayed and confused about our whole friendship.

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 23/02/2014 22:30

How few would have to occur before you would class it as rare?

HavantGuard · 23/02/2014 22:31

UK stats

91% under 13 weeks

Abortions where gestation has exceeded its twenty-fourth week account for less than 0.1% of the total. There were 146 such abortions in 2011

MrsDeVere · 23/02/2014 22:34

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bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 22:35

Havant, I have the UK figures. It's the Canadian ones I was looking for. Thank you anyway.

HavantGuard · 23/02/2014 22:37

Really? They don't have those on the SPUC website?

5madthings · 23/02/2014 22:37

I had it in a pdf from when this was debated in a other thread.

The statisics canada site doesnt seem to be working properly tonight. But I just googled percentage of late term abortions in canada. There are similar figures on wikipedia which lists figures for various countries.

bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 22:39

MrsDV, you are not comparing like with like. After 24 weeks you are only allowed an abortion under exceptional circumstances.

I can't even think of an easier way to explain this. It's getting late and I have to get up early. Good night everyone.

JanineStHubbins · 23/02/2014 22:40

bumbley your point makes no sense, which is why a number of posters are querying it.

bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 22:44

The wiki link just confuses things even more by giving different definitions for 'late term abortion' and it only has figures for 2003.

Page 6 of this report shows 549 out of 26,575 after 21 weeks. Which works out at 2%. That's for 2011 but it excludes Quebec.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 23/02/2014 22:45

But the only other thing you can compare it with is live births, and then it's even more rare. I don't understand what you are trying to say, or what you want to compare it to?

5madthings · 23/02/2014 22:45

Well the statistics show that in canada wherelate term abortion is legal that less tha 1% of abortions happen past 24wks, ans the vast majority happem before 13 wks, justas they do in the uk.

Not sure whyyou want to compare the two statistics? Ordid you think that whne it was legal you would get huge numbers of women queing up for a late term abortion?

bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 22:47

Janine, I'm not sure how to explain it any further. Maybe it will be clearer in the morning. I really need to go to bed now.

bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 22:49

"Well the statistics show that in canada wherelate term abortion is legal that less tha 1% of abortions happen past 24wks"

That's the figure I wanted to see. I have no expectations. Did you say you had the pdf? Can you send attachments through PM?

5madthings · 23/02/2014 22:51

Yes I haveit on pdf up to 2011? On phone so cant send ot via pm at the moment.

Why are you so desperate tocompare them to the uk, exactly what are you hoping to learn/prove?

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 23/02/2014 22:53

Bumbly I wonder if you mean you need to compare the late term abortions figure to the number of live births of babies who are have conditions (or are born in situations) where late term abortion would have been an option? I'm not sure where you woukdt get those figures though. That might give an idea of how rare it is in the context of it even being an option?

bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 22:54

I did come across this which I found interesting. "Over 90% of abortions in Canada are done in the first trimester, only 2-3% are done after 16 weeks, and no doctor performs abortions past 20 or 21 weeks except for compelling health or genetic reasons "

JanineStHubbins · 23/02/2014 22:57

That suggests that there is no need for restrictive legislation around abortion such as exists in the UK, if in a comparatively liberal dispensation like Canada the system appears to self-regulate.

MrsDeVere · 23/02/2014 22:58

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MrsDeVere · 23/02/2014 23:00

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5madthings · 23/02/2014 23:01

www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Abortion_Law_e.htm

There is no federal abortion law but entitlement to abortion remaims a right protected by the charter.

And yes it is pretty much self regulatory as janine says.

bumbleymummy · 23/02/2014 23:11

Janine, "That suggests that there is no need for restrictive legislation around abortion such as exists in the UK, if in a comparatively liberal dispensation like Canada the system appears to self-regulate."

What were you referring to?

monkeytree · 23/02/2014 23:17

Highly insensitive to post this on facebook knowing that you are likely to read it. Yes people are entitled to express their views but this person knew you were likely to see it and if I had a friend who had been through your experience I would not post my beliefs in this way. I think personally I would be very wary of trusting someone entirely who did this.

Sometimesbrunette · 24/02/2014 00:33

YANBU I think I'd be upset by that too. I think I'd prob be upset more by her response too. Not apologizing for upsetting you.

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