to think older teens should be made to watch what an abortion is in PHSE. (sorry possibly triggering)

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I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy.
And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma.
and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process.
I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation.

FFs, I'm glad my dd doesn't go to school, noway would any parent in their right mind agree to this.
Yes they need to know the facts, but really? educating them all because a small percentage will become pregnant and want an abortion.
If you are talking about educating adults well there are many opportunities for that.

Right, but can you see how your initial post does not read like that, at all?

so its seen as another form of contraception

I will be leaving this thread now as the OP has scraped the bottom of the barrel and has now decided to dig.

So no need for a graphic video then straightline surely??

Another form of contraception?! Can you actually read what you're typing?

I'm wondering if you actually know what your own point is?

you know what I mean , another valid option for women not something dark and bad to talk about.

like some women said , some do use it as a form of contraception, simply to remove an unwanted pregnancy.

Contraception doesn't mean removing an unwanted pregnancy.

I think maybe you are the one who needs education.

Oh dear!

Ah. The 'dark thing' argument.

So it's down with that kind of thing, Ted, is it?

Tbh no Hop I can't I really dunno how so many people saw what I wrote and thought , RELIJUSS' PRO LIFEER' I really don't, genuinely.

Contraception is prevention. Termination well isn't.

Jaysus anything to claw yourself out of that hole eh OP?

Blimey, abortion is used to remove unwanted pregnancies?

Every day's a school day.

How does contraception remove an unwanted pregnancy, OP?

But thats the catergory it comes under? contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy. how else would you describe it.

Anyway I've apologised and nobody else has, just like I thought, people had the opportunity to be decent.

But its not a dark thing that people can't talk about is it?
As part of my English GCSE (in 2000) we had to debate a subject. The subject we were given was abortion. The teacher split.the class 50/50 (with those with particular views choosing which side they were on) we had to research and then debate whether abortion should be allowed or not.

So it is talked about, at least it was at my school.

Is this an attempt to get the thread deleted OP?

Because if it isn't, are you totally deranged?

A video of a termination need not be horrific at all, it is only the likes of SPUC and A Silent Scream that make us assume that a video would be a guilt trip frest of hideousness . When I had an abortion the very kind nurse showed me what they had removed . It was quite re assuring that it wasn't SPUC-scary .

IMO. The process of termination should be seen as humdrum.

OP, are you citing actual guidelines and could you link or cite them?

Contraception is used to prevent a pregnancy.

Periods can start at age of 9 and end at 52. ( ignoring all laws on sex) that's 516 ovulation that could end in pregnancy. Isn't it better to prevent that rather than abort.

Actually, those of you getting snarky, some forms of contraception do remove an unwanted pregnancy, by preventing implantation, technically causing a very early miscarriage.

Agree with you OP, but did you really expect that the majority would?

fidget, a non-implanted embryo is a non-implanted embryo.

I don't expect people to agree though,

just not make wild claims I am a religious nutter, anti choice/pro life tyrant.

Well, here's a few suggestions;(my comments in bold)
"I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy. not everyone who has one is in some kind of tragic circumstances. Some people just find themselves pregnant and don't want to be. If you want to have a judgement free discussion about abortion, stop stressing the situations in which you think it's OK. You are already imposing your own moral judgements, so a bit pot/kettle to say we need judgement free discussions

"And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma." again, this is your own moral projection. Doctors, nurses and clinic staff are very well trained to explain the procedure. If you want the info before you go to the clinic, most people would just google it

"and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process." Once again we're here with the judgement that the procedure is some dramatic, horrifying event. When it's just not. You actually don't seem to know anything about abortion, you sound like all your information has come from pro-life propaganda. The implication is that if people were less detached from the procedure and treated it with as much seriousness as you seem to think it warrants, they would not want to do it.

"I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation." I don't think this makes any sense really. What does backstreet abortion have to do with anything, when abortion is legal and freely available? A bit of discomfort is better than being a legacy of another generation? What does this even mean?

OP, these are your words.