to think older teens should be made to watch what an abortion is in PHSE. (sorry possibly triggering)

[StraightLineOfResignation]

I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy.
And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma.
and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process.
I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation.

[BettyBoo246]

Op you said in your op that both you and your mum think enforcing shock tactics on teenagers is a good idea -
And yet your mum beat you when you was pregnant which made you miscarry???????

[LineRunner]

I'm beginning to wonder if the OP, brought by abusive parents and influenced by their views, wasn't try to argue that teenagers should be made to be scared of having sex. And thus not risk pregnancy and its awful (for her) consequences.

Maybe.

Who knows. Sad, though.

[LineRunner]

brought up, that should be ^

[BettyBoo246]

Agree linerunner
No wonder she views it as a 'dark' subject

[poorincashrichinlove]

Time to lay of OP now MNers.
She expressed a poorly thought out argument (that most disagree with), born out of an abusive history and dysfunctional thinking. OP is clearly in need of some love and support here.
OP, I'm sorry for what you went through at the hands of your parents. I wish you peace and hope you have support in RL

[WhosLookingAfterCourtney]

Well said ThatIsAll

Judgement and shaming is never helpful.

Oh, and ... yabu, but you know that. Take it easy OP.

[KateSMumsnet]

Hello everyone,

Thank you to everyone who reported this thread to us. Can we please remind you of our guidelines www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette.

[Allsorts1]

Probably better to give good sex education on contraceptive methods and the morning after pill don’t you think?

[x2boys]

After eight years hopefully the Op has had a rethink ,Zombie thread !

[PrincessNutella]

You know what you should show? A young woman going to university and getting her degree, instead of being a a 20 year old with 3 kids living at home with her 35 year old single mother in a crowded council flat and her little sister who, at 16, has a couple of kids of her own.

[blubberyboo]

Sounds like it would be used by teenage boys to pressure girlfriends into keeping babies that they end up walking away from 6 months after birth

[caketiger]

I think that you want to put people off and are trying to dress it up as informing people....

[anon12345678901]

Although a zombie thread, I had an abortion at 18, even if I'd seen a video I wouldn't have been put off. It's one of the best decisions I have made.

[Brefugee]

No.

[ColinTheKoala]

@Justforlaughs

I agree OP, and have thought so for a long time. Too many teenagers (and adults) believe that a quick pill is all it takes - regardless of how far gone the pregnancy is.

No they don't. And very few women have an abortion without giving it due thought.

The vast majority of women do not use it as a form of contraception.

Also, lets not forget that when a baby dies (of natural causes) in-utero, the woman is made to give birth naturally. In what world is that ok and why isn't a quick c-section done?

[ColinTheKoala]

AAAAGGGHHH.

Sorry for posting on the zombie thread.

[EishetChayil]

Also, lets not forget that when a baby dies (of natural causes) in-utero, the woman is made to give birth naturally. In what world is that ok and why isn't a quick c-section done?

Because it helps the healing process to give birth vaginally, and doesn't leave a scar that could be an upsetting reminder. Most doctors and psychiatrists recommend vaginal delivery for stillbirths.

[Ozanj]

@StraightLineOfResignation

I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy.
And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma.
and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process.
I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation.

Most abortions happen before 14 weeks so it’ll be a heavy period.

[Maireas]

@MoominIsGoingToBeAMumWaitWHAT

YANBU. All the options should be shown to them - including keeping the baby.

At the minute, sex education is pretty much non-existant in many rural areas, and lacking even in more populated areas. The extent of my sex education was "Don't have sex. If you do, boys should wear a condom". Literally, that was it. Nothing of the consequences, nothing of the options should it happen. (This is going to be my dissertation topic so I'm a bit militant about it ) My brother and sister haven't even had any sex education whatsoever - they're 14 and 12.

They need to be taught the practical and emotional consequences of pregnancy and abortion and relinquishing a baby for adoption, as well as the support available in each instance, and more in-depth about the different types of contraception. It's all well and good saying "Don't do it", but if you leave it at that, once they've gone and done it anyway, they're screwed. Same goes for STIs, they need to know that they can be tested and treated confidentially and without judgement.

I think also what might help would be to have young women who have had babies, and others who have had abortions, as well as young fathers and young men who've supported their partner through an abortion, to talk about the realities, rather than a middle-aged school nurse reading it off a whiteboard.

What's wrong with a "middle aged" nurse? Surely they'd be aware of the realities? Nursing is a very hands on job, right?

[Danzig]

@TeaBooksCrumpets

Do you have nothing better to do that to resurrect threads and post links to fundie anti-choice websites?

[TheOriginalEmu]

@fifi669

Are you talking about seeing a dead fetus? I think that's a bit extreme myself. Rather a 3d scan of a baby in the womb to make it seem real rather than a line on a stick. A friend had a 3d scan at 17 weeks, amazing to look at. Bit freaked out that you could have an abortion up to 7 weeks after for no good reason.

It’s never for ’no good reason’.

[Pottedpalm]

@StraightLineOfResignation

well both, most young girls have no idea , I had no idea that was available till i got older.

People watch birth videos now, which would have been unthinkable in past generations.

Treating it as a taboo , I don't think serves youngsters as much as its unpleasant.

We watched a film of a birth while at school in the 60s.
Not unthinkable at all!