to have expected this woman to remove her tantruming child?

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Went out for Sunday dinner with two friends. They were sat next to each other and I was sat opposite so my chair was in the middle (not sure if that's completely relevant but don't want to drip feed)

We were sat on a higher tier of the restaurant (3 steps). A woman with 2ish year old (could have been a little younger) walked up with a friend and her baby when her ds started to throw a huge tantrum and dropped to the floor right next to me.

As my chair was in the middle and not on the edge he really was right next to me screaming and crying and she left him there for a good few minutes and went to sit down before picking him up.

Now I was in a family friendly restaurant and don't care about children throwing tantrums or crying (it's expected) and with a tantrum its usually best ignored but I think in this situation she should have been quicker to pick him up and remove him from our table?

YABU. Toddler in busy place. Has a tantrum. Shocker!

It was a few minutes! Yes, maybe the mum should have probably removed him quicker but perhaps she was trying to see if he would calm down, thus making the tantrum finish quicker for everyone.

Yes, agree with you fluffy. Don't leave them tantruming near other people, deal with it promptly and hope there are decent people nearby who might extend a lending hand when you are overloaded with shopping/other children etc as opposed to assaulting your child be tripping it up or chucking water on it.

Wish there was more like you tinselled

Brian

Read the thread. Unless you think it is appropriate and somehow ^less antisocial* to trip up badly behaved children (although I believe this poster is lying for effect and did no such thing).

Is that aimed at me Brian? I was saying indeed to the reply about her motives to being on here. Not the thug and a dick. Although the tripping up kid makes me think SHE can't behave in public settings as much as the next tantrumming toddler.

Because Brian i have the termerity to disagree with the usual apologists for crap parenting*

Ooooo give us examples of your perfect parenting Whistleblower0 - I'm sure we are eager to hear...

No, because you alleged you tripped up a child on a train because it was his fault he was badly parented.

That is why. Let's make that clear.

I have no truck with people who so not teach children to behave appropriately. I have no truck with people who inflict their children's behaviour upon others.

But presumably you are an adult yet you sound far more antisocial than any child mentioned here. Tripping up a child because you were probably too scared to address the parents directly is as immature and cowardly as it gets.

Oh right, fair enough. I missed that post. No not on to trip a child up.

Not temerity and not an apologist. We just don't advocate deliberately tripping up 'little fuckwits' as you put it.

Brian .

I am probably feeding something I should not.

But perhaps it might be better to do the adult thing and simply give them the benefit of the doubt that the child MIGHT have a disability or SN and therefore be more understanding anyway.

I would generally assume that.

However the DC was 2 ish in OP so I wouldn't be assuming SEN unless there was some indication - as it very normal/expected to tantrum at this age.

The DC was left disturbing someone else for a few minutes - the parent was some distance away.

It says to me a parent who didn't want to deal with their DC behavior but expected some else paying for a meal to put up with their DC behavior.

I think if that is 'normalized' as o.k parenting wider acceptance of everyday public and tolerance of young DC and DC who do have SEN isn't going to increase - which it really does need to do.

I think id prefer the tantruming toddler to some of you people.

I live close to the pub where a man threw a pint of beer over a toddler, iirc he was in his pushchair crying. I wonder how those people who think its acceptable to trip up or throw drinks at children would feel if an adult did it to them

yanbu

ignoring a tantrum at home or where you are not disrupting other fine but when you are out you have to consider others unless of course you think the whole world should revolve around your child

ds has often been taken outside until he calms down

Bye. You must be full by now.

Breakfasted like a Princess.

Behave properly. You mean how adults do and talk to parents of misbehaving like I had the balls to the other week? Rather than twattishly sticking my foot out and bragging about it on an internet forum? Okay then

Just RE a comment a few pages back; can we stop referring to children as spoiled brats? Toddlers who throw tantrums are not being brats, they are being toddlers. It's totally normal behaviour, not a sign that they are spoilt, bratish or have shit parents.

Either that or some of you must spend half your time polishing and dusting your parenting awards.

Trying to imagine sitting eating in a restaurant, toddler lying at my feet having a flaming tantrum while mother sits elsewhere and ignores (even for JUST a few minutes) - emm no, finding it hard to see that anyone could find this acceptable. Do people really do this, obviously as some here think it's ok.

How do you stop a child suddenly tantruming? Even if you pick them up and remove them the second it looks like it's starting, there may be 30 seconds of tantruming as the parent leaves the shop/restaurant/café. 30 seconds is clearly enough to wind some of you miserable fuckers people up!

I don't have children but I do understand that toddlers, not older children (SN aside), do not know the social rules and that it's rude to get cross loudly in Starbucks.

However the DC was 2 ish in OP so I wouldn't be assuming SEN unless there was some indication - as it very normal/expected to tantrum at this age.

Doesn't mean they might not have SEN. You're simply making that assumption. Many children with disabilities are already exhibiting behavioural problems at age 2.

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And the child was 15 months old and she didnt smack him, she shouted at him and he kicked her

Some of the adults on this thread don't seem to have figured out the rules either. If my child tripped someone over because he was annoyed by them, I would be furious. Think that lesson was missed by some.