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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be really fucking annoyed at DP

240 replies

ControversialAnnie · 24/11/2013 19:24

Sorry this might be a bit rambly, I'm really angry.

We don't live together at the moment as he doesn't want to. We have two DC under 3 and I live as a LP, with him visiting us for one or to days a week.

We fell out last week over his priorities, but he apologised yesterday so all was well again. Last night he asked to borrow £40 to go out, which considering I'm on benefits is quite a lot to me. He does this most weeks, but as usual I said yes as he was laying it on thick with how he would pay me back ASAP, he needed time out etc.

I've just seen the dreaded Facebook. He went out and got so slaughtered that he couldn't go to work today, which will get him in trouble no doubt.

It doesn't sound so big written down, but I'm so angry. I struggle to run a house with two lively toddlers, sort our finances out, do everything and he swans in for one day a week and lives his life as a single man. I need a break, but I never get one. When he's here he sleeps until lunchtime and the kids are up at 5am every day. I have other issues that mean I don't get any time to relax when they are in bed.

So, AIBU? Because I'm sure he'll tell me I am, and I don't want to fight if I'm in the wrong.

OP posts:
ControversialAnnie · 25/11/2013 21:04

I do feel very supported here, and I don't mind at all people asking about benefits or giving a bit of tough love, every single post here has helped me in some way.

My family have hinted very heavily and some members have expressed their dislike of him, but I don't have a fantastic example as it seems everyone Else's husband/boyfriend/partner is just as bad in other ways. But they also like him Hmm and tell me he is making positive changes, we are strong and have got though so much etc.

I have told him what I want now, I think he is coming over to talk. I am determined to be strong and not be swayed by him being emotional. I know I can do this.

OP posts:
waltermittymissus · 25/11/2013 21:06

Just remember Annie, you shouldn't have to spell this out to him.

Your perception of normal is so skewed now but in a mutual, respectful, decent relationship both people KNOW what they have to do and they WANT to do it.

This spoonfeeding bullet points to him; it's not going to end well!

Flisspaps · 25/11/2013 21:23

He's coming over to talk? So he's managed to find his own train fare?

Vivacia · 25/11/2013 21:24

You wanted me to work so I got a job,

Bloody hell! So, it doesn't occur to him that there'd be any other reason to be employed? It's all your fault (again)?

toffeesponge · 25/11/2013 21:37

He has no clue about real life, responsibilities does he?

ControversialAnnie · 25/11/2013 22:12

No, his sense of reality is quite skewed sometimes. I should mention that he has awful depression and insomnia which doesn't help at all.

Like me, he has no idea what constitutes a proper relationship. His dad was always disappearing and his mum was pretty useless, she also has this weird 'everyone else's fault' attitude. No excuse, I know.

I must be off to bed now, but will update when we have talked in the morning. Thanks again Thanks

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cees · 25/11/2013 22:37

Be strong Annie, you can do this.

puntasticusername · 25/11/2013 22:40

Good luck, Annie, keep us posted!

ShylaMcCall · 25/11/2013 22:42

"You wanted me to work so I got a job"

Shock

He is twenty two with two children to support. WTAF had he been planning to do with his life?

FunkyBoldRibena · 25/11/2013 22:53

You will just keep giving him more ultimatums until you realise that he's playing you like a fiddle luv.

ProfPlumSpeaking · 26/11/2013 08:50

I think your plan is a good one, OP. It is precise and focused. You are giving your DP clear ground rules and that will give you back some control of your own life. Just don't let it slip, and do go back and read the ground rules in a month's time and be HONEST about whether he has stuck to them. If he has, then that is brilliant. If not, then you will feel confident breaking up with him.

Gosh, the the benefits system is skewed if it keeps couples apart. I agree with you that that shouldn't be a consideration about whether he moves in as being a stable family is the one thing that you need at the moment, hopefully with DP as you do seem to care about one another and he is the father of your children.

PS Is your DP addressing his insomnia? He needs to be taking some positive action about this in tandem with everything else as it clearly is not doing him any good.

I admire your determination. Well done.

OnIlkelyMoorBahtat · 26/11/2013 09:18

I think it's quite telling and really sad that the only thing he is willing to be a participant in is the money you receive from benefits.

(Am not knocking you getting them btw love, am merely pointing out that the only time you have quoted him as acting or thinking as a "we" is about the money!)

Keep us posted Annie, we're all here to support you x

ChristmasCareeristBitchNigel · 26/11/2013 10:39

He should be giving you money for his children, not drinking the money that taxes provide for their care

SuperStrength · 26/11/2013 11:08

YABU to give him money that that the state has intended to support you & your children until you are in a position to be able to support yourself & your children yourself.

Do you not see that?

£40 is alot of money...it's alot of money to working poor people who pay taxes so that you can recieve benefits which enable you to keep your children...and you choose to give it to him so he can go out! That's outrageous.

If you have such little regard for the benefit you are recieving, you shouldn't be getting it IMO. It wasn't given to you so that you can keep your man-child partner sweet.

YouTheCat · 26/11/2013 12:05

Super, what a vile attitude.

That money is the OP's and she is entitled to do with it what she wants - it is no concern of yours or anyone else. I don't think she should sub her partner but I would think the same if it was money earned from a job or benefits.

waltermittymissus · 26/11/2013 15:06

To be fair, I think hope Super is trying to point out how utterly ridiculous it is that she's raising children on benefits, which is no easy task, and handing over some of that money so he can act like he has no responsibilities and piss it away on drink!

YouTheCat · 26/11/2013 15:28

It would be just as bad if she had earned the money in a job and loaning him money to drink left her short. I don't think whether the OP is receiving benefits or not is relevant.

waltermittymissus · 26/11/2013 16:36

I agree completely.

It's just OP says she feels terrible for having them in the first place and he clearly has no qualms about taking them from her!

Like I say, I'm hoping it was just badly phrased and wasn't intentionally nasty!

daisychain01 · 26/11/2013 18:32

I have followed your situation closely on this thread, ControversialAnnie - you are getting some good solid advice from everyone and it seems as if you are receptive and realistic (although undoubtedly struggling with the fact you do care about your partner, you have a bond, but you desperately want him to behave differently. It seems he is currently very wide of the mark in terms of his reality-check of the situation, and the fact he needs to step up to being much more proactive and supportive of you.

You referred to the fact that he has not had any role models in his life, which has meant he didn't have anyone to look to for his aspirations (so he basically doesn't have any aspirations now). I'd hazzard a guess that he has only chosen to work because he has convinced himself it's what you want, rather than admitting to himself that it is the only passport to a better life for you, him and your DC's. It hasn't occurred to him that he should be leading the way , not just being prodded with a stick to find a job.

He is telling you one thing, and doing another. He tells you he can't live with you because of the distance to work, and yet when he does have the chance to show you support he is sadly lacking. He is just making weak and lazy excuses and it is letting you and your DC's down. These points have been raised multiple times by posters here on MN, but I have to reinforce it, they are correct!

The last resort will be the "LTB option" - but it isn't necessarily the best approach, not when you have small children. An alternative option might be to challenge him, if he REALLY does want to convince you that he is prepared to change for the better, and not just be "all talk - no action" is to attend couple's counselling together. It might be something you could start off, maybe start with one session on your own. You could begin by off-loading all your frustration, describing everything you have told us on this thread, and get some independent advice as to whether there is any glimmer of hope and some 'next steps'. This would be without your partner listening, so you would have total freedom to "tell it like it is". Then after, when that has helped to sort out the situation in your own mind, you can work with the counsellor to decide how best to involve your partner.

Nothing ventured nothing gained. If it really is a question of LTB, at least you know you have tried your very best to keep your family together - and yes, as people have already observed it currently isn't a cohesive family with him living separately. But you both made those children together, so if nothing else, maybe they ARE the glue holding it all together. You are both young, and maybe your partner will realise he has a lot of growing up to do, now that he does have a family to support.

Perhaps when his behaviour is put under the spot-light by a professional, who know how to handle these discussions objectively and in a way that is constructive not destructive, it will really be driven home to him what he stands to lose and the fact that you do want to find a way through, but not be 'fobbed off' by him with lame excuses and lack of action.

I hope this adds a little to the extensive support you are already receiving on this thread x

ControversialAnnie · 26/11/2013 19:18

Thank you for the continued support. Super I get your point, I feel very fortunate to receive the benefits that I do.

We have been talking today, I have told him what I will and won't be accepting. I told him I may have been a doormat before but not any more, he has to choose whether he wants to be a family man or a single one. Not both. No compromise.

I asked what he was going to do about it, and he said he will move in with me asap if that's what I want. He does not want to leave his life behind but I have not wavered at all. I said if he can't decide then I will do it for him, and we won't be going back this time.

I feel strong. It's amazing.

Will update again later. Thanks again! Thanks

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Katinkia · 26/11/2013 19:18

If you consider yourself in a relationship with him and are sleeping with him/having him stay over then I really think this is benefit fraud and you could get into lots of trouble. You haven't really split up, you're still 'together' just living separately. That's still being together for benefits purposes. I understand your position, and I'm not having a go at you. I just want you to sort it out so you're not going to get into trouble.

LTB

waltermittymissus · 26/11/2013 20:23

he said he will move in with me asap if that's what I want

Doesn't he want to though? Because if not I'm afraid you're in for trouble down the way.

Vivacia · 26/11/2013 20:50

I can really understand why you're giving him another chance, but all of this, "if you want me to" begrudging, whining shit would make me immediately tell him not to bother.

nauticant · 26/11/2013 20:55

The begrudging, whining shit is to prepare the ground for it all be the OP's fault if he can't be arsed to make things work.

Helpyourself · 26/11/2013 21:10

OP whatever happens, please please please 'better' yourself.
By which I mean don't let having children young and not going to university define you. You are articulate and smart- you should be out there mixing with people who appreciate you! I know you've got your children to look after now but don't neglect your own intellectual and emotional needs. Use this time to think about where you'd like to be in five or ten years time.

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