to be concerned re. what is going on re. immigration and population growth?

[ClarityJane]

So many non-English voices, especially East Europeans, but so many different nationalities en masse it seems have moved here in the last 10-20 years - completely unprecedented historically. And in an already very over-crowded island.

Today I read Labour MP Frank Field say that the population increase due to immigration by 2031, i.e. less than 20 years, will be approximately 10 million and will require building something like seven new Birminghams! Or another London! Based on latest predictions in the papers today anyway.

Did Blair and Mandelson envisage this when they signed up for European Community rules on immigration and refugees? Or did they cynically not care because it meant cheap labour, cheap votes, increased profits (via membership of the European Community).

Did the architects of this policy not consider how it would affect housing, jobs and education and the resulting massive investment needed there, and the over-crowded population we have already.

I believe we have never been consulted or told anything honestly about what the consequences of EC membership was immigration-wise, if indeed there was ever any plan (doesn't seem to be, just a kind of opportunistic carpetbaggers philosophy approach of selling England by the pound).

I feel deceived and hoodwinked really. But are there any more positive thoughts on this? I find it v. depressing.

Its not lies YouTheCat. Please find something better to do with your time. All your insults just say more about you.

Being called racist isn't being called names - it's a description.

Yes they say I am an intelligent woman who can manage to read statistics properly who doesn't stand for racism.

That's not a political argument either.

Over and out.

"Still its pretty nasty to be called names. I'm not immune actually. But you still look like nasty dickheads for doing it."

OP can you see the irony in this statement you made?
Actually, OP you might be interested in a very good programme that was shown last night, I'm sure it would be on iPlayer. All about world population growth. It sounds really dull but in fact it wasn't. And indeed was a bit of an eye-opener for me as I was as ignorant as most until I saw it.

We did the political argument. Many posters linked you to various pages that debunk everything you have said as fact. But you still choose to peddle your ignorant ideals.

Back to UKIP with you.

Like it or not, people are not trees, they will go and live where they want to.

might i suggest you join these lovely people Clarity, they talk far more sense than you do EDL

Boogie on down............

NataleeJah - i'd rather have 7 birminghams full of you guys than folk like the OP!

Please not i said folk LIKE the op, so not a personal attack, so if you delete this then i would think you are pandering to racists

Why dont you emigrate op. if it is so overcrowded here an all.. What about spain? You could nip back anytime you needed any operations on the nhs, and when you get to a certain age you can claim the winter fuel allowence while not living/ contributing to this country in any way shape or form!
And best of All you will here lots of english voices there because most ex pats are unable /unwilling to speak spainish. It'll suit you down to the ground op.
Have a little think

Re. personal insults. Note - when people call a poster they've never met and do now know a racist, it is only hurtful (though I'm beginning to feel immune after so many pages, like a vaccine almost, its just become a term of abuse rather than a term of any real meaning: a dangerous development in itself btw). It also makes the respondents look rather arrogant and nasty people. I'm not a troll either.

The problems and issues thrown up by mass immigration are legitimate concerns, whatever anyone says ... at least for now. Mocking and insulting people who raise them and early-on demanding the thread be shut down is not a political argument or debate. Thumbs up for MNHQ for not doing that.

Of course, I realise now the thread has been hopeless at shedding any light on the wider subject, so I should probably have posted/discussed elsewhere (lesson learnt maybe).

But it has exposed some of the tactics and mindset of those who are pro-immigration, which doesn't augur well. Let me tell you, you will just lose the argument to any normal, living-in-the-real-world sane person, which is actually worrying in a way.

You do not need to meet someone to be able to see from their racist posts that they warrant being called a racist.

I don't know what tactics and mindset you think you can attribute to 'pro-immigration' people. Unless you mean reading and listening to studies and informed discourse about the situation regarding immigration.

Around 5.5 million British people live outside of the UK

Around 4 million Europeans who are not British live in the UK

YABU unless you think all those Brits shouldnt be allowed to leave the UK?

You are right, you have ligitimate concerns - people have TRIED to address them but you wont engage in the argument, you have simply stamped your feet and said you are not being racist - well your opinion of racism and mine differ. If that makes me arrogant, fine.

If you wanted everyone to agree with you then yes, you should have posted elsewhere - but thats not debate. What exactly did you want by this thread? You said the country can't cope economically - people who have bothered to read up on this subject posted that actually immirgant workers have brought a net gain into the country, but you wont accept that. People have pointed out that small companies often function on the back of immigrant workers (because british people would rather fester on benefits - not everyone agreed with this) but you refused to listen. You harped on about how there was all these non-english voices, people said so what - you couldn't defend that.

And your portent of doom in your last paragraph that is quite laughable really - "dooooomed, you're all dooomed, doomed i tell ya!"

My mother has been spat at and physically attacked just because of the colour of her skin, by ignorant racist cunts - so do forgive me if i have no truck for racism dressed up as political concern, especially when my mother is an English woman with a medical condition that makes her appear black.

Im glad that this thread wasn't shut down, it has allowed some posters to show their true colours.

Clarity
If you had wanted to have a serious debate on the subject (rather than a group of people nodding in agreement) why did you phrase your opening post in the terms you did. You know this is a sensitive topic. Your replies to some points also suggested you hadn't done the most basic research into migration into the UK as compared to Europe as a whole. You appeared to have bought into the myth that the UK is especially burdened with immigration which is just not supported by the factual evidence.

Of course she doesn't want to have a serious discussion. She just wants to spout her racist bile, - all of it ill informed shite from the pages of the daily mail
I'm glad the thread has been allowed to stand. Shows up the op for what she really is.

The problems and issues thrown up by mass immigration are legitimate concerns, whatever any says

Yes all those "Non-English voices especially the Eastern Europeans" really are legitimate concerns. Your poor neighbour who doesn't talk to his neighbours because they're foreign, apart from the fact he talks to you, who's apparently a neighbour and not foreign is a legitimate concern?!?

OP you haven't raised a legitimate concern on this thread, you have just spouted xenophobic soundbites that could have come straight from Enoch Powell's lips.

applauds Mrs. DeVere's post before it gets unfairly deleted

Joins in ovation for MrsDeVere

Can I complain that being labelled "pro-immigration" is a PA?

It's a double-standard if the content of a post doesn't allow it to be labelled for what it is (in the OP's case, racist, or, at best , xenophobic).

If something smells like shit, looks like shit, was produced as waste product by someone, then it is shit even if that person wants to call it something else.

I'm not a racist and I'm not a troll. I don't think most of the posts are anything to do with politics, just the usual nicknames getting their angry rocks off .

If you had a vision of Europe, politically, why don't you share it, instead of goading and being nasty for the sake of it?

Slogans and abuse are just that, nothing more, especially when it becomes a form of group bullying, actually.

Anyway this is over for me.

Thank fuck for that!

Do you have a vision of europe Clarity? Is it that everyone should have blonde hair and blue eyes and speak the mother tongue? hmmm im getting a sense of de ja vu

Now that definately gonna get me deleted, but i dont care.

I dont think you ARE racist clarity, i dont know you - but your posts are

If you want everyone to agree with you fuck off to the EDL sites.

Clarity you are racist and you are stupid. The two normally go hand in hand