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To think that using peer humiliation as a punishment for a quiet, sensitive child at the start of Year 7 is very bad practice by the school?

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pippalonglegs · 01/11/2013 13:21

Oh, I need help and advice please. I'm hurting so much for my DS that I can't think about anything else. Please bear with me - it's a story.

Basically, in a drama class the children were split into boys v girls. The boys started giggling and got themselves into a position in which they became helplessly unable to stop laughing. DS commented to his buddy that it was 'as if they were all on drugs'. Teacher (probably stressed) overheard, took exception to the comment and issued a detention. DS came home seeming so sad and withdrawn and was very upset. He told me about the detention and subsequently I emailed the school (Monday), taking great care not to take sides, simply in order to understand what had happened from teacher's point of view. On Tuesday she called me, and left a voicemail in which she said that DS had 'shouted out a completely inappropriate comment'.

I had no contact telephone number so emailed again (Tues) and explained that even prior to this, DS had been struggling with high school transition and was feeling sad to the point of really not wanting to go to school, and might perhaps benefit more from an alternative approach. I asked if we might talk about the detention before it went ahead. She didn't reply on the Tuesday, the Wednesday or the Thursday - in other words, she completely ignored/dismissed my concerns - and instead simply sent him home with a detention slip for the Friday. Of course I was furious, not least because my sensible and genuine concerns had been completely ignored, and I felt I'd been treated as a stupid, interfering parent.

But then the full picture emerged. I happened to be speaking to another parent who told me she had been very shocked to hear what had happened to DS, although initially I didn't fully understand what she meant. Her child gave an account (unprompted by me, I should add) that was identical to DS's. She said that nobody had even heard his comment (which in my opinion merely illustrated a mature understanding of the potential impact of drugs anyway) and that it was only the teacher flying off the handle that caused any interest in it. But - and this is the significant bit - it also transpired from this third party account that DS had been made to stand facing the wall until the end of lesson, and was at that point given the detention. And that was the bit that crushed me. DS is the most gentle, kind and sensitive of boys, has never been in trouble before, and there could have been no need to subject him to that kind of humiliation in front of his peers. Detentions and discipline, yes - but peer humiliation, most definitely no!!!

Suddenly it all made sense. No wonder he had come home from school so upset. And the thing that really distressed me was that he had felt so much shame and humiliation that he hadn't even been able to tell me about it. My heart broke for him. Little wonder that he was unwilling to go back into school to face his peers. Personally, I felt that such a punishment merely lacked a cap with a big 'D' on the front - a punishment more suited to 1913 than 2013.

I set about researching the pathogenic effects and the damage of peer humiliation (which has a profound impact on cognitive development and behaviour in children). Armed with the evidence, I emailed the head teacher with a formal grievance (the substantive points of which were 1. the failure of the teacher to engage with me and 2. the humiliation punishment that was used). That was acknowledged by the head, who said he would appoint his deputy (also the head of pastoral care) to investiagte, and would then meet with me to discuss the matter.

The deputy called me yesterday and Oh. My. God!!!! It has been a long, long time since I've spoken to anybody who was so bloody-minded and unintelligent. In spite of promises by the head, he refused to have a meeting with me, although I asked repeatedly if we could sit down to talk about my complaint. Every time I asked, his parrotted reply was that he 'would not normally meet with a parent to discuss a detention'. It didn't matter how many times I repeated that the detention was the least of my concerns, he wouldn't listen. In the end I even said that I felt like Jeremy Paxman and I said I wanted a straight answer to a straight question - but his reply was the same again!!!

In the end, I said I would redial and speak to the head, which I duly did. Of course, in the intervening minutes, the deputy had skidded down the corridor to forewarn the head and the head was, initially at least, every bit as hostile. We spoke for about ten minutes, most of which was decidedly heated, and I have to say, most (though by no means all) of the anger came from him not me! Clearly, he was unused to being challenged by a parent and he didn't like it at all. I felt his attitude was autocratic, verging on imperialistic - and told him so!! He actually told me that DS wasn't made to stand facing the wall, he was made to stand at the edge of the room, looking away from the class group!! Oh dear. Talk about semantics!!! Paradoxically, his refusal to accept that DS had been made to stand facing the wall seems clearly to indicate that he knew how unacceptable that would have been. I said that kind of ducking and diving, that kind of manipulation was fundamentally dishonest and slippery and wouldn't play out at all well in the press.

At about that point, we had a u-turn and he invited me in to see him on Monday for a cup of tea and a biscuit.

Basically, it would help me to know if anybody else has had a similar experience. I have the meeting next Monday and would really like to know what options I have/don't have. DS is really suffering and has lost a lot of confidence and self-esteem since this incident. I think it's something that he will carry around with him for the rest of his life.

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EvilPea · 29/03/2022 10:06

I had this with my dd last year. I didn’t want to be “that” parent, but she was utterly miserable at secondary as she is quiet and shit scared of being told off for questioning something.

I did try to prep her for secondary teachers being different to primary, and you have to suck up the unfairness of it to a certain extent. The school were fucking useless, I raised it and even pointed out the primary information would have said this (she had some extra support the last year for self esteem). The school were useless, but year 8 she’s got the hang of the eye roll and ignoring it, it’s not aimed at her and don’t take it personally.

It’s shit and hard going for them, more so for the boys who just don’t seem as ready.

tinytemper66 · 29/03/2022 10:14

This is from 2013!

Nelia5 · 29/03/2022 10:15

This thread is almost 10 years old !

Piggy42 · 29/03/2022 10:15

Maybe OP will be back to update this time 😀

ginslinger · 29/03/2022 10:16

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ZOMBIE

There are zombies marching through mumsnet -
This is a zombie thread
what's that? A zombie thread you say?
Yes, full of zombies.
No, surely you mean the thread has passed its sellbye date?
Indeed.

EvilPea · 29/03/2022 10:18

Oh for gods sake.

He’s left school now, got his degree and is half way on to becoming a CEO Blush

PickAChew · 29/03/2022 10:19

OP's child is probably in 6th form 😂

PickAChew · 29/03/2022 10:22

Scratch that - year 7 not 7yo so he's probably training to pay it forward, so entrenched is his trauma 😭

Malibuismysecrethome · 29/03/2022 10:23

I think this type of humiliation does have a lasting effect. Why was the uncontrolled laughter not punished but your son's comment was. I wouldn’t make a habit of complaining but if you think he was unfairly treated you have every right and I would also ask for an apology. He was punished by standing in the corner (or facing away) and by a detention. I thought children were told about substance abuse so why was his comment inappropriate?

Queenoftheashes · 29/03/2022 10:23

Well I for one am very interested for the OP to come back and tell us whether this killed her child’s spirit long term

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 29/03/2022 10:24

We're closing this old thread now - the child in question would be 20...

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