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To think that using peer humiliation as a punishment for a quiet, sensitive child at the start of Year 7 is very bad practice by the school?

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pippalonglegs · 01/11/2013 13:21

Oh, I need help and advice please. I'm hurting so much for my DS that I can't think about anything else. Please bear with me - it's a story.

Basically, in a drama class the children were split into boys v girls. The boys started giggling and got themselves into a position in which they became helplessly unable to stop laughing. DS commented to his buddy that it was 'as if they were all on drugs'. Teacher (probably stressed) overheard, took exception to the comment and issued a detention. DS came home seeming so sad and withdrawn and was very upset. He told me about the detention and subsequently I emailed the school (Monday), taking great care not to take sides, simply in order to understand what had happened from teacher's point of view. On Tuesday she called me, and left a voicemail in which she said that DS had 'shouted out a completely inappropriate comment'.

I had no contact telephone number so emailed again (Tues) and explained that even prior to this, DS had been struggling with high school transition and was feeling sad to the point of really not wanting to go to school, and might perhaps benefit more from an alternative approach. I asked if we might talk about the detention before it went ahead. She didn't reply on the Tuesday, the Wednesday or the Thursday - in other words, she completely ignored/dismissed my concerns - and instead simply sent him home with a detention slip for the Friday. Of course I was furious, not least because my sensible and genuine concerns had been completely ignored, and I felt I'd been treated as a stupid, interfering parent.

But then the full picture emerged. I happened to be speaking to another parent who told me she had been very shocked to hear what had happened to DS, although initially I didn't fully understand what she meant. Her child gave an account (unprompted by me, I should add) that was identical to DS's. She said that nobody had even heard his comment (which in my opinion merely illustrated a mature understanding of the potential impact of drugs anyway) and that it was only the teacher flying off the handle that caused any interest in it. But - and this is the significant bit - it also transpired from this third party account that DS had been made to stand facing the wall until the end of lesson, and was at that point given the detention. And that was the bit that crushed me. DS is the most gentle, kind and sensitive of boys, has never been in trouble before, and there could have been no need to subject him to that kind of humiliation in front of his peers. Detentions and discipline, yes - but peer humiliation, most definitely no!!!

Suddenly it all made sense. No wonder he had come home from school so upset. And the thing that really distressed me was that he had felt so much shame and humiliation that he hadn't even been able to tell me about it. My heart broke for him. Little wonder that he was unwilling to go back into school to face his peers. Personally, I felt that such a punishment merely lacked a cap with a big 'D' on the front - a punishment more suited to 1913 than 2013.

I set about researching the pathogenic effects and the damage of peer humiliation (which has a profound impact on cognitive development and behaviour in children). Armed with the evidence, I emailed the head teacher with a formal grievance (the substantive points of which were 1. the failure of the teacher to engage with me and 2. the humiliation punishment that was used). That was acknowledged by the head, who said he would appoint his deputy (also the head of pastoral care) to investiagte, and would then meet with me to discuss the matter.

The deputy called me yesterday and Oh. My. God!!!! It has been a long, long time since I've spoken to anybody who was so bloody-minded and unintelligent. In spite of promises by the head, he refused to have a meeting with me, although I asked repeatedly if we could sit down to talk about my complaint. Every time I asked, his parrotted reply was that he 'would not normally meet with a parent to discuss a detention'. It didn't matter how many times I repeated that the detention was the least of my concerns, he wouldn't listen. In the end I even said that I felt like Jeremy Paxman and I said I wanted a straight answer to a straight question - but his reply was the same again!!!

In the end, I said I would redial and speak to the head, which I duly did. Of course, in the intervening minutes, the deputy had skidded down the corridor to forewarn the head and the head was, initially at least, every bit as hostile. We spoke for about ten minutes, most of which was decidedly heated, and I have to say, most (though by no means all) of the anger came from him not me! Clearly, he was unused to being challenged by a parent and he didn't like it at all. I felt his attitude was autocratic, verging on imperialistic - and told him so!! He actually told me that DS wasn't made to stand facing the wall, he was made to stand at the edge of the room, looking away from the class group!! Oh dear. Talk about semantics!!! Paradoxically, his refusal to accept that DS had been made to stand facing the wall seems clearly to indicate that he knew how unacceptable that would have been. I said that kind of ducking and diving, that kind of manipulation was fundamentally dishonest and slippery and wouldn't play out at all well in the press.

At about that point, we had a u-turn and he invited me in to see him on Monday for a cup of tea and a biscuit.

Basically, it would help me to know if anybody else has had a similar experience. I have the meeting next Monday and would really like to know what options I have/don't have. DS is really suffering and has lost a lot of confidence and self-esteem since this incident. I think it's something that he will carry around with him for the rest of his life.

OP posts:
BadLad · 05/11/2013 12:42

where's op gone???

Standing against the wall until the end of the thread.

fivefourthreetwoone · 05/11/2013 16:00

Standing against the wall until the end of the thread.

Grin
ShellyF · 05/11/2013 17:40

Thought Head had invited her in for tea and biscuits:-)

ShellyF · 05/11/2013 17:42

Sorry Forfawkes I was refering to OP.
Sorry your son has had such a rough time.

ShirakawaKaede · 05/11/2013 19:31

Pippa, your son did nothing wrong, and having been in his position at a similar age, I sympathize. I'd have perhaps just said to DS "do not go to your detention, I don't believe you've done anything worthy of punishment" - and I'd make it clear to the school that I had no intention of making him go. I expect I'd have been as angry as you were, too - especially with the hair-splitting over whether he was standing in the corner or not (nice derailing by the headmaster there!)! Too often, it is the quieter, less confident children who end up getting punished for reacting to the poor behaviour of others, and often children take advantage of that. It's the same for my sister (who has asperger's), and no doubt she is not alone in this. These things do knock your confidence. It takes time to heal. Are there any particular children in his class he is close to? One staunch friend can make all the difference!

Yesiknowyes · 29/03/2022 07:22

I think you need to answer yourself 2 questions.
Did your son behave appropriately? Answer is No.
Was it the first time it happened? Or it happens regularly and unfairly to your son? No.
I’m saying it like a mother of a very sensitive child. We will have to learn to live in the real world, both us and our sensitive children. We need to teach them to reuse the waves, to accept negative events and consequences, to be emotionally resilient. Because it gets worse and worse later on. It seems like you’ve never learned to be emotionally resilient and I don’t blame you, I’m not either. But we need to change the attitude and help our children to face this kind of events with emotional resilience.

Yesiknowyes · 29/03/2022 07:23

I mean it was the first time it happened*

BurntEnds · 29/03/2022 07:25

This is a very old thread

comealongponds · 29/03/2022 07:44

@Yesiknowyes

The child in question will be about 20 now so I’d guess he’s over it

Sparklingbrook · 29/03/2022 07:48

I think you need to answer yourself 2 questions.

I need to know why you'd reanimate such an old thread.

AreWeThereYetttttt · 29/03/2022 07:57

I remember this punishment from my school days! To be fair if never bothered me or most in my class but none of us were sensitive or easily embarrassed around each other (it was a very small school so classes were all pretty close).

I can see why a particularly sensitive child in a large class wouldn't like it though.

I would however stop making such a fuss (going to the press!? Surely that would be more embarrassing for your son!

AreWeThereYetttttt · 29/03/2022 07:58

Oh damn.

CecilyP · 29/03/2022 08:13

Yesiknowyes

I think you need to answer yourself 2 questions.

You certainly do, yesiknowyes.

1 Why did I find and revive such a old thread?

2 Why am I asking this question (and offering your considered advice) to a mother of a 20 year old about something that happened in Y7?

LookItsMeAgain · 29/03/2022 08:16

IT'S A ......

To think that using peer humiliation as a punishment for a quiet, sensitive child at the start of Year 7 is very bad practice by the school?
Brefugee · 29/03/2022 08:19

FFS. There is a BIG BOX when you post on a thread more than a year old telling you of this.

The kid is at uni now. I wonder if he remembers?

@mumsnet - is there no way you can close Zombie threads to anyone but the OP?

Mischance · 29/03/2022 08:23

I understand that you are upset. And there is a case to be made out for pointing out to school that you do not regard this as a reasonable action, especially as the crime is not really worth the label.
Doing research on the long term effects is OTT.
If you make too much of it it will loom larger in your son's mind which is the last thing he needs. He needs you to help him get it in proportion rather than blowing it up .... he needs you to help him move on.

Fridafever · 29/03/2022 08:27

I guess OP will know by now if there were long lasting effects!

Herejustforthisone · 29/03/2022 08:28

Um, this is quite dramatic.

Take it as a chance to teach your son that life can be unjust. You launching into action each time you feel he’s been wronged will teach him nothing.

Don’t be that parent.

LaurenKelsey · 29/03/2022 08:30

“Skidding along the corridor” made me LOL. 🤣

Herejustforthisone · 29/03/2022 08:32

Oh. Zombie. I fell foul.

Herejustforthisone · 29/03/2022 08:33

I wonder how many times the OP has accused her son’s university Dean of being autocratic so far.

bookworm14 · 29/03/2022 08:36

ZOMBIE THREAD. This child will be about 20 by now!

EatSleepReplete · 29/03/2022 08:42

@MNHQ please could you send this thread away, or re-attach the zombie message, or something? Why on earth people dredge up a thread from a decade is an unfathomable mystery...

ZOMBIE THREAD
ZOMBIE THREAD
ZOMBIE THREAD

Sandra2010 · 29/03/2022 08:58

Have to agree that that was a very poor and antiquated way of achieving discipline. Does the school not have a separate place kids are sent when they disrupt class? My kids' school had what they called 'base' where the children who struggled with attendance, or the disruptive kids were sent to do extra school work until their behaviour improved. It might only be until the end of class or it could be for a week or more. However, he might need to develop a thicker skin, too.

Spandang · 29/03/2022 09:08

The thing is, it’s an important lesson to try and read a situation. My DSS had something similar and I said to him, it may well have been an innocuous comment, and in other circumstances you might have got away with it. But an adult faced with thirty misbehaving kids is going to single out one of them and that one will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

In life you have to learn to read a situation and the people in it. Should you go bumbling into your boss on the day the board report is due behaving like a school child? No. Should you make innocuous comments to a police officer when they’ve pulled you over? No. Should you go to airport security and make a joke about having a bomb? No.

They may seem like wildly far fetched examples compared to your child, but effectively it is about reading a situation and people. Learning it at 12, is a great example for later life.

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