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To think that using peer humiliation as a punishment for a quiet, sensitive child at the start of Year 7 is very bad practice by the school?

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pippalonglegs · 01/11/2013 13:21

Oh, I need help and advice please. I'm hurting so much for my DS that I can't think about anything else. Please bear with me - it's a story.

Basically, in a drama class the children were split into boys v girls. The boys started giggling and got themselves into a position in which they became helplessly unable to stop laughing. DS commented to his buddy that it was 'as if they were all on drugs'. Teacher (probably stressed) overheard, took exception to the comment and issued a detention. DS came home seeming so sad and withdrawn and was very upset. He told me about the detention and subsequently I emailed the school (Monday), taking great care not to take sides, simply in order to understand what had happened from teacher's point of view. On Tuesday she called me, and left a voicemail in which she said that DS had 'shouted out a completely inappropriate comment'.

I had no contact telephone number so emailed again (Tues) and explained that even prior to this, DS had been struggling with high school transition and was feeling sad to the point of really not wanting to go to school, and might perhaps benefit more from an alternative approach. I asked if we might talk about the detention before it went ahead. She didn't reply on the Tuesday, the Wednesday or the Thursday - in other words, she completely ignored/dismissed my concerns - and instead simply sent him home with a detention slip for the Friday. Of course I was furious, not least because my sensible and genuine concerns had been completely ignored, and I felt I'd been treated as a stupid, interfering parent.

But then the full picture emerged. I happened to be speaking to another parent who told me she had been very shocked to hear what had happened to DS, although initially I didn't fully understand what she meant. Her child gave an account (unprompted by me, I should add) that was identical to DS's. She said that nobody had even heard his comment (which in my opinion merely illustrated a mature understanding of the potential impact of drugs anyway) and that it was only the teacher flying off the handle that caused any interest in it. But - and this is the significant bit - it also transpired from this third party account that DS had been made to stand facing the wall until the end of lesson, and was at that point given the detention. And that was the bit that crushed me. DS is the most gentle, kind and sensitive of boys, has never been in trouble before, and there could have been no need to subject him to that kind of humiliation in front of his peers. Detentions and discipline, yes - but peer humiliation, most definitely no!!!

Suddenly it all made sense. No wonder he had come home from school so upset. And the thing that really distressed me was that he had felt so much shame and humiliation that he hadn't even been able to tell me about it. My heart broke for him. Little wonder that he was unwilling to go back into school to face his peers. Personally, I felt that such a punishment merely lacked a cap with a big 'D' on the front - a punishment more suited to 1913 than 2013.

I set about researching the pathogenic effects and the damage of peer humiliation (which has a profound impact on cognitive development and behaviour in children). Armed with the evidence, I emailed the head teacher with a formal grievance (the substantive points of which were 1. the failure of the teacher to engage with me and 2. the humiliation punishment that was used). That was acknowledged by the head, who said he would appoint his deputy (also the head of pastoral care) to investiagte, and would then meet with me to discuss the matter.

The deputy called me yesterday and Oh. My. God!!!! It has been a long, long time since I've spoken to anybody who was so bloody-minded and unintelligent. In spite of promises by the head, he refused to have a meeting with me, although I asked repeatedly if we could sit down to talk about my complaint. Every time I asked, his parrotted reply was that he 'would not normally meet with a parent to discuss a detention'. It didn't matter how many times I repeated that the detention was the least of my concerns, he wouldn't listen. In the end I even said that I felt like Jeremy Paxman and I said I wanted a straight answer to a straight question - but his reply was the same again!!!

In the end, I said I would redial and speak to the head, which I duly did. Of course, in the intervening minutes, the deputy had skidded down the corridor to forewarn the head and the head was, initially at least, every bit as hostile. We spoke for about ten minutes, most of which was decidedly heated, and I have to say, most (though by no means all) of the anger came from him not me! Clearly, he was unused to being challenged by a parent and he didn't like it at all. I felt his attitude was autocratic, verging on imperialistic - and told him so!! He actually told me that DS wasn't made to stand facing the wall, he was made to stand at the edge of the room, looking away from the class group!! Oh dear. Talk about semantics!!! Paradoxically, his refusal to accept that DS had been made to stand facing the wall seems clearly to indicate that he knew how unacceptable that would have been. I said that kind of ducking and diving, that kind of manipulation was fundamentally dishonest and slippery and wouldn't play out at all well in the press.

At about that point, we had a u-turn and he invited me in to see him on Monday for a cup of tea and a biscuit.

Basically, it would help me to know if anybody else has had a similar experience. I have the meeting next Monday and would really like to know what options I have/don't have. DS is really suffering and has lost a lot of confidence and self-esteem since this incident. I think it's something that he will carry around with him for the rest of his life.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 01/11/2013 19:33

I've rarely found that an "all guns blazing" approach works and if the first post is anything to go by then I wouldn't be surprised if her contact with the school is robust in tone. I would have at least waited for the other side of the story from the teacher before coming to any conclusions.

As for the research, why look to inflame a situation and potentially amplify its consequences.

p.s. when I was in school facing the wall would have been a mild alternative to the cane or having a board rubber lobbed at your head.

enderwoman · 01/11/2013 19:38

I've not read all the replies so there a big chance that I will be repeating myself.

Secondary school is not like primary. Minor things aren't ignored. I've had the chat with my y8 son last year. Now that they have lots of teachers, kids learn who's strict, who's soft, who gives too much homework etc. it sounds like this teacher wants to appear strict hence the punishment. It's not fair that it was your son, not the boys who were mucking about that got punished. I would be sympathising with your son about the humiliation but ultimately get him to try to forget and move on. I distinctly remember some shit teachers- that's why the good ones need to be treasured.

claig · 01/11/2013 19:43

' I felt his attitude was autocratic, verging on imperialistic - and told him so!!'

This spells wind-up!

'Talk about semantics!!! Paradoxically, his refusal to accept that DS had been made to stand facing the wall'

Talk about wind-up!

Mitzyme · 01/11/2013 19:48

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LordPalmerston · 01/11/2013 19:49

Course it is.

LordPalmerston · 01/11/2013 19:50

The other one about school wet breaks is too

intitgrand · 01/11/2013 19:50

Get real!
The teacher was trying to run a drama class.Your child was creating disruption by laughing helplessly and his silly comments.
That is why the teacher told him to turn round- so that he couldn't distract the others
Your reaction has been way OTT , your poor DS he must be mortified by your behaviour.

Mitzyme · 01/11/2013 19:54

Oh dam. It's official I'm ( an idiot ) a gullible twit.

claig · 01/11/2013 19:56

' In the end I even said that I felt like Jeremy Paxman and I said I wanted a straight answer to a straight question - but his reply was the same again!!!'

Grin
Mitzyme · 01/11/2013 19:56

What! The school wet breaks as well! I give up. What's going on?

claig · 01/11/2013 19:58

The key to wind-ups and jokes are the exclamation marks at the end of sentences to drive home the punchline. I sometimes do it myself, but use one exclamation instead of 3 to indicate the punchline.

BoneyBackJefferson · 01/11/2013 20:01

VerySmallSqueak
"Thank goodness Burning.

A voice of reason"

Not a voice a reason, just someone that agrees with you.
Grin

HRHLadyG · 01/11/2013 20:03

She wasn't using what you have described as 'peer humiliation', that's your subjective interpretation.
Would it be okay to use this strategy with a child whose Mother does not consider him to be sensitive?
Your child needs to take responsibility for the very minor mistake he made, but you are preventing him from doing this.
In your meeting, I suggest you ask to have the events calmly explained. Communicate your concerns and wish that this is not a regular behaviour management strategy. Keep thing clear and simple, aim to treat the meeting as a step to resolution and fresh start.
You might do yourself and your son a disservice if you charge in armed with 'research'. x

NotMeNotYouNotAnyone · 01/11/2013 20:05

Yabvu and pfb

One stupid teacher making him stand and face the wall is not going to cause lasting psychological damage to a child who is otherwise loved and cared for.

You were unreasonable to try and get the detention cancelled. And even more unreasonable to still be pushing it.

Yes, it's not fair. But teachers can't see and hear everything. They probably were sick of the boys being stupid and caught your sins comment. Rather than punish 50% of the class which would be hugely disruptive, the teacher singled out the child making the comment. No, it's not a mature understanding of the effects of drugs (wtf?) it's an 11 year old boy being silly.

Jinty64 · 01/11/2013 20:06

OMG, and I thought I was precious!

Mitzyme · 01/11/2013 20:10

Thanks CLaig and Lord. I will be much more careful in the future.
Still love AIBU.
Off to watch Elementary

frogspoon · 01/11/2013 20:11

Oh, so you're one of those parents who make my life as a teacher difficult.

Your son made a stupid and inappropriate comment. It most likely aggravated the situation which the teacher was doing her best to manage, therefore to calm down the class he was removed from the situation by being made to face the wall. It wasn't "peer humiliation," it was a punishment, and a way of managing the situation.

PMSL at going to the press.

I can imagine the headlines in the Daily Fail now:

"Boy, 11, made to face wall."

harticus · 01/11/2013 20:13

The other one about school wet breaks is too

No it isn't
OP has posted regularly throughout it

GobbolinoCat · 01/11/2013 20:14

I have not read all the replies but when I first read the op I thought her son was 7 years old not in year 7!

He said something un suitable and he was punished of course he isn't going to come home, singing and joyful that he was punished.

I do not think he was humiliated either, I am sure his friends felt sorry for him.

NorksAreMessy · 01/11/2013 20:16
Hmm
claig · 01/11/2013 20:19

'Peer humiliation' sounds like something the Guardian would be up in arms about.

The Daily Mail would back the teacher and rigour and say that this is a bit like the culture of 'political correctness gorn mad' and the culture of victimhood and that it sounds like something to do with the European Court of Human Rights and the 'yuman rights' not to face 'peer humiliation'.

claig · 01/11/2013 20:23

'I do not think he was humiliated either, I am sure his friends felt sorry for him.'

At my old school, he would have been regarded as a hero and lauded rather than the crushing

'Little wonder that he was unwilling to go back into school to face his peers.'

Are they really all goody two shoes at the school or were they instead cracking up laughing?

LordPalmerston · 01/11/2013 20:29

It's still bollocks though

VerySmallSqueak · 01/11/2013 20:30

BBJ.

Same thing.

Obviously Grin

claig · 01/11/2013 20:37

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