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To be disappointed, hurt and a bit embarrassed with my DD(19)

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WhatHappenedToMyGirl · 23/10/2013 14:25

I am fully prepared to be told IABVU for this, but here goes.

DD is 19, she has always been bright & ambitious, always in the top set and achieved great GCSE's - almost all straight A*/As , sporty and a bubbly, life of the party type of girl but since the middle of her lower sixth form year she seems to have dropped out from life entirely.
For the past 2.5 years she has been very withdrawn, depressed, very anxious about leaving the house, panicking if DH and I would be leaving her alone for the night, has lost touch with all her friends, put on 2 stone and is now somewhat of a recluse.
DH and I were bewildered at first, did something happen to her? did someone hurt her? did she see something traumatizing? etc. We asked (more like pleaded and begged) her to tell us what was wrong and how we could help her and she would just sit there and cry silently and not answer us. It was honestly the most heart-wrenching thing I've ever seen, we felt so powerless.
She refused to go to school and would have panic attacks if we tried to force her into going, seeing as she was 17 at the time, eventually we dropped the issue altogether, thinking that she would snap out her funk in her own time but we still tried in vain to get her to attend cbt sessions. She spent most of her time crying, sleeping, reading or just sitting.

She confided in me in June that she had been raped walking home from the library, around the same time as she had become depressed. I think she confirmed something that was in the back of my mind all along. I told DH as I couldn't keep something like this from him, and he broke down in tears. We asked if she wanted to report it and find her rapist and press charges against him, but she completely refused. We tried to support her as much as we could.
Since DD told us what happened, it is like a weight has been lifted off her, she has begun to slowly heal. she has begun attending rape counselling and a support group, losing weight and exercising, reaching out to some of her old friends and beginning to join us on our family walks.

This is all excellent and I am relieved beyond words and I have cried with happiness that she is getting better. My AIBU is about this next situation, Last week DD told DH and I that she had been looking for a job, we asked what kind of job as she only has GCSE's and no work experience. She told us she applied for Tesco's, Asda, Aldi etc. and Boots, Superdrug, some other clothing retailers, a cleaning job, admin assistant job etc.

If I am honest with you, and I will be as this is anonymous I am feeling embarrassed with DD for not choosing to go back to college now she is better, and do an access course or her A levels and go to university like her peers. She is choosing low paid small jobs when she used to have so many plans for her life. So many dreams for her future.
Her two cousins have just finished their first years of medical school and an economics degree. Her friends are either doing charity work abroad or are in university, working towards a secure future.
I feel a tiny bit ashamed when people ask me about her now, before when she was depressed, she was ill and I would tell people who asked after her that she was ill and that I didn't want to talk about it. Now...what can I say? My beautiful brilliant DD is a shelf stacker at Asda?? I know I am wrong to say this, but I wanted DD to be more than a cashier or receptionist, I wanted her to be one of life's achievers.

How can I steer back into academia? (or should I even do that?)
Please help me MN,

A worried mother

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HawthornLantern · 23/10/2013 14:50

OP your love and concern for your wonderful daughter really come through. And your anxiety in particular.

Please don't think of your daughter as fully recovered and back to normal - it sounds very much as if she is still work in progress. A job could be a tremendous help to her overall healing. She is getting back to herself but it's not an instant snap back - how could it be? It is a huge step forward and outwards - I think that is something to celebrate as you clearly are doing.

All of your lovely daughter's innate skills and talents are still there - but the path of development she was taking was brutally and crudely disrupted. So she needs to work out some different pathways and see what options make best sense for her now and how she wants to get to goals she now sets herself.

The choices that your daughter makes now will be informed by much more life experience (a lot of it bad, but with the recent support, hopefully some good too) than her peers. Choices may seem much less automatic or straightforward than they did. She needs time to adjust to this - and she may well make her eventual choices with a much greater dimension of maturity, insight and wisdom than her peers.

Your daughter may need a few more years before she can make good decisions that she feels she can sustain - signing up to A level courses and straight onto degrees in demanding disciplines may be at high risk of heartbreaking failure if she doesn't feel stable and secure within herself.

What your daughter does right now does not define her - not now or for the rest of her life, or ever. Please don't let her think that for a moment. At this delicate part of the recovery let her feel your validation, not your suppressed disappointment.

And even if your daughter decides that being a cashier is just fine and forever - well - for her maybe it is. It makes her no less valid or valuable or less loved.

MurkyMinotaur · 23/10/2013 14:51

Some jobs carry lower status in society. If you value status, you'll be ashamed of those jobs. But status is not as important as we're led to believe. And those lower-paid jobs are as legitimate and worthy as doctors and lawyers.

It's not wrong to wish your DD reaches her potential, of course, especially when she had been so able and driven but I agree with viewpoint expressed by most other posters here, that your DD is doing very well and has nothing to be ashamed of. Neither do you.

WhatHappenedToMyGirl · 23/10/2013 14:51

DawnDonna I am sorry about coming off as snobby- I am genuinely not, I just don't have anywhere else I can say what is on my mind without hesitation. Forgive me if I have offended you but I wanted to be honest otherwise what would be the point of posting.

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JoannaBaxterLovesBumsex · 23/10/2013 14:51

I think some people are being overly harsh on the OP.

None (or few, I hope) have been in this situation where a child of ours has been raped.

The OP has been through a very traumatic time too, and is just sad that things have not worked out the way they might have been.

(Although I do see that this is AIBU!)

Abra1d · 23/10/2013 14:53

I think it's understandable that you feel sad the future you and she might once have mapped up appears to have faded away as a result of this horrific crime.

But give it time. With your love and support she will be able to still go back to her old ambitions, if she wants to. The thing i actually like about Britain is that it's not impossible to go back into serious education later on in life. This isn't the case in all countries.

HawthornLantern · 23/10/2013 14:53

Sorry - cross posts.

Thanks
EldritchCleavage · 23/10/2013 14:53

Look, I think it's good (and brave) that you have been honest.

I think that in the face of trauma sometimes we can get stuck on one odd, aspect of a thing. Let's face it, it can be a lot easier than having to think about the real tragedy. Do you think maybe you are focusing on this 'status' issue because it is a safe place to vent your feelings about the rape? I can quite see that the attack and its effect on your daughter is too horrific for you to contemplate for very long.

And the contrast between where your DD is now and where she would have been-ought to be-without the attack is part of what this revolting criminal has cost you. It is a loss to you all as a family, and I don't think grieving over that is at all unnatural or wrong.

If you haven't had any talk therapy for yourself about this, do please consider it.

ephemeralfairy · 23/10/2013 14:54

I will try and be gentle here because the disclosure of your daughter's rape must have been awful for you....
But it must have been so much worse for her.
You should be SO so proud of her for admitting she needs help and going to therapy, starting to process the trauma and starting to enjoy doing things again.
That is a great deal more than some people would be able to do. She sounds very strong.

I think it is extremely positive that she is applying for jobs, regardless of what they are. Maybe she doesn't feel up to going to uni yet, it a massive thing for any young person and can be very stressful. I am sure you wouldn't want her to go before she is ready, then find she is unable to cope and have to drop out (like I did the first time). She is only 19!!! She's got ages to decide what she wants to do with her life and start to work towards it.
(although as an aside you are very naive to think that getting a degree nowadays is any kind of an assurance of a 'secure future'...!)

Also, I cannot emphasise enough that if she gets even an inkling of an impression that you are 'disappointed, hurt and a bit embarrassed ' with her then you will push her recovery back months and do her even more damage. She needs your love and support now more than ever.

May I ask if you have considered accessing any support or counselling for yourself?

FrightRider · 23/10/2013 14:56

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Dawndonnaagain · 23/10/2013 14:56

Whathappened
I have pmd you with an explanation/apology.

Salmotrutta · 23/10/2013 14:59

YABU WhatHappened.

And I second what madoldbird said.

I've seen what PTSD does to a person and just getting back into the workplace in as unstressed a way as possible is very important.

It's her choice what she does and I'd be immensely proud of her if I was you. Not embarrassed.

VeryStressedMum · 23/10/2013 15:00

She is one of life's achievers, one of the very best. She has gone through the worst ordeal and is coming out the other end, that is the best and hardest achievement ever. Hold your head up high and be proud.

MammaTJ · 23/10/2013 15:07

YABU. My DD is 18 and did not have the trauma your DD has been through, but has chosen to move in with her BF and not go to uni. Yes, I think she could do better, but her BF is lovely and she is HAPPY!!

Remember what it was like seeing your DD so depressed, are you not just glad she is coming out of that? I am 46 and have just started uni myself, she can do it later, if she wants to and when she is feeling stronger.

BruceWillisLovesMe · 23/10/2013 15:07

She might decide in the future to go back into education. She might not. The problem here is not your daughter's choice of jobs but your attitude to jobs that you see as beneath your family. Work on that and let your daughter decide her future in her own time. She's doing so well so don't let your attitude knock her back. I mean that gently!

eurochick · 23/10/2013 15:07

OP, I think you have been brave to come on here and say what you are feeling and also to accept that YABU (doesn't happen often!).

You've had some great responses. Your daughter has been through something really awful. It sounds like this is a stage in her recovery. She's 19. She has plenty of time to go for a degree, if that is what she wants. Maybe being an ace shelf stacker and earning her own wage will help boost her confidence and help her recover a bit more. Maybe she will be happy doing what she is doing. Maybe her potential will be spotted and she will work up to management. Maybe after a while she will feel that her brain power is not being stimulated and she will feel ready to return to education and train for a more challenging career.

I think to an extent you are grieving for the life she could have had and the life you wanted for her. But this is the life she has got and it sounds like she is dealing with what life has thrown at her really well now. She has been through something terrible and is coming out the other side. Just love her and support the person she is and stop comparing her to the person she would have been if this dreadful event had not happen.

whiteandyellowiris · 23/10/2013 15:08

wow
im shocked that would would feel even a tiny bit ashamed

she sounds like shes doing amazing

EldritchCleavage · 23/10/2013 15:08

Have faith that she will get where she deserves to be, just not by the linear route that you expected.

WhatHappenedToMyGirl · 23/10/2013 15:16

EldritchCleavage
I think that in the face of trauma sometimes we can get stuck on one odd, aspect of a thing. Let's face it, it can be a lot easier than having to think about the real tragedy. Do you think maybe you are focusing on this 'status' issue because it is a safe place to vent your feelings about the rape? I can quite see that the attack and its effect on your daughter is too horrific for you to contemplate for very long.

And the contrast between where your DD is now and where she would have been-ought to be-without the attack is part of what this revolting criminal has cost you. It is a loss to you all as a family, and I don't think grieving over that is at all unnatural or wrong.

If you haven't had any talk therapy for yourself about this, do please consider it.

What happened to my DD is never far from my thoughts, I can't bring myself to ask her for details as I am scared what DH would do if she told us. I feel relieved that she has found a safe haven with her counselor.

He has gotten away with it. DD refuses to report him to the police and I can't understand why she won't.

Thank you for your thoughtful post, eldritch

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JessePinkmansWitch · 23/10/2013 15:18

You could have been me describing my DSD in your post. I'm so very sorry she's gone through this OP and for you having to help her through this.

It happened to my DSD when she was 15, (she too was still a virgin). She somehow managed to get really good GCSEs and went on to sixth form. But she fell apart and massively went off the rails, staying out all night for days on end, drinking, drugs etc. She dropped out of sixth form after barely scraping through her AS Levels and never finished her A Levels. Her plan was also to go to university.

She ended up on the dole. Then she managed to get a job in a betting shop, then payday loan type shop, now she works for a big bank and is on pretty decent money now. She's 21 now and her life is so much better and back on track. She's just gotten herself a brand new straight from the showroom car (63 plate)! Which something neither DH or I have ever been able to afford. She's now talking about maybe going back to college at some point in the next few years and going on to university.

My point is you really need to give your poor dd some time. She's not "better" this is something she will live with for the rest of her life. It takes a long time to heal after something as traumatic as rape. My DSD although she has healed quite a bit still has a long way to go and it's been over 5 years. It's something that will always be there, something that she will always have to deal with, whether something triggers it in the future or just starting a new relationship it will always be that little bit harder for her. You just have to give her time, lots and lots of time and love and support.

Don't feel ashamed of her for applying for ordinary shop jobs, it's actually a really really good thing as it means she's taking the next step, on a very long road to recovery. She will get there one day it will just take her longer than you thought. My DSD started on the dole and then had a bit of crappy minimum wage job, then moved up a little, then a little more. Now she's earning more than any of her family have ever earned and she's still at the beginning of her working life.

Hang in there, and give your dd lots of time.

Lilacroses · 23/10/2013 15:19

OP, this happened to someone that I am very close to. It was a truly terrible time for the whole family and of course for the young woman involved. My lovely friend (whose Dd was attacked) was devastated for her Dd and felt a great sense of loss because her Dd had all kinds of amazing plans before this happened and afterwards it was as though this terrible event had "stolen" those plans. It wasn't my friend being "selfish" or "snobby" it was a deep sadness that the attack had robbed her daughter of a future she was so looking forward to.

However, nearly 3 years on her Dd is doing really well. She too has benefitted from counselling and from the support of her family and friends. I don't want to give too many details but she is studying again albeit in a slightly different way to the one she planned and, more importantly she is happy most of the time. I'm so sorry your Dd has gone through this trauma and I'm so sorry for you too. I know my friend nearly fell apart when it happened to her Dd. Maybe you should talk to someone too? Very best wishes to you all.

EldritchCleavage · 23/10/2013 15:19

Been there (where your DD is, and where you are, when a close relative disclosed to me). I am married with kids and a good career now.

Things will get better. In time, thoughts of what might have been will fade and you will get on with the here and now.

verytellytubby · 23/10/2013 15:21

Hugs to your DD and hugs to you.

Baby steps. At least she is working and beginning to live again. Be proud of her achievements. She sounds like one of life's fighters.

shelldockley · 23/10/2013 15:22

OP, do you know who the man was? Is she worried about seeing him again if she goes back to college? Knowing that there is someone like this in the area must be terrifying for her. Do you have other DCs? I'm just wondering if there is something 'bigger' you can do to help her, I may be being crazy, but I would consider moving to make sure she never had to come into contact with this man ever again. I know that won't solve everything, and I can't blame her for not wanting to go to the police. She has done so well to get this far, I'm sure you're not really 'embarrased' you are just mourning the life you expected her to have, but it's not too late she is only 19.

Lilacroses · 23/10/2013 15:22

Also OP the young woman I'm talking about did report to the police, it was quite a high profile case, all over the news but unfortunately the attackers were not caught or haven't been yet. I totally understand your feeling frustrated that your Dd wont report but otoh that in itself can be an incredibly disturbing process. Not that I am trying to put anyone off doing it obviously.

WhatHappenedToMyGirl · 23/10/2013 15:26

I have bookmarked this thread, I want to read it again from time to time. You have no idea just how much I needed this. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

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