to think Halal meat is cruel?

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Bought a very nice panini today (bacon, brie and cranberry) from the local sandwich shop.

I didn't realise at the time that all the meat in that shop is Halal, which I am strongly opposed to.

Here is Wiki's description of Halal

^"Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of Allah") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained."

AIBU to think this seems unnecessarily cruel?

(I realise the UK meat industry is far from perfect but this seems particularly nasty)

I just can't get myself worked up about the Halal way of slaughtering animals for the mass market, and the 'other' way whatever that might be. It all sucks. And it's all an essential part of consuming flesh.

If you don;t like it there are options - like buying from farmers who use small slaughterhouses, or becoming vegetarian or vegan.

I've just had a google around "organic" and "free range" and I've found no mention of any slaughtering requirements accompanying these labels. So buy all the free range or organic you want, but more than likely those animals are being sent to the same slaughterhouses as factory farmed animals and killed the same way.

Where do you live Ponyo? I'm in London and I've not come across a cross wearing ban! I've got this Christian friend see she wears an assortment of crosses (depending on her mood and outfit) so I'm right.

Animals slaughtered the halal way are not left to slowly bleed to death, they are slaughtered with a sharp blade and must be killed immediately the prayer is not a long drawn out chant it goes 'in the name of God' the animal is hung upside down to drain out the blood as consuming congealed blood is forbidden.

If your were in a mozlamic country you could kill your livestock for personal consumption however you liked actually. You'd be hard pushed to find a butcher to do it for your but you could do it yourself.

Halal meat is supposed to be reared organically, organic and halal are not mutually inconclusive.

Pig is never halal, so rest assured your bacon is non halal and pre-stunned and contains all the congealed blood you could wish for.

"I have Asian friends" can you not be Asian and a citizen of Britain then?

OP, if you've got a real point to make, perhaps next time you could do a bit more research to ensure that your story is more credible. Just a suggestion.

Tickety fuckety boo!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don;t like it there are options - like buying from farmers who use small slaughterhouses, or becoming vegetarian or vegan

I agree

I like to eat meat, but only eat once or twice a week at the most. Pieces are not larger than the palm of my hand.
I sometimes do not eat meat for 1-2 weeks.

I feel terrible watching documentaries seeing how animals are being treated until they get slaughtered.
Has made me vomit in the past and going off meat for weeks.

But again, I have nothing against eating animals, but wish I would have the option buying from the farmer directly, like we (may parents) used to have.

Ponyo, your last post has made more sense than all your previous posts put together. Peace, love and understanding!

All that effort and thought and vitriol directed towards the final few moments of the animal's life...but little to no interest directed to the preceding months and years.

Actually many people are concerned with animal welfare in general, with this being just one of many aspects.

I think there is a legitimate question to ask about the 12% but it wasn't clear from your original post that any pre-stunning took place at all.

ANormalOne had already mentioned the 88%.

Is there a reason why you think Muslims and Jews are more likely to be criminals?

No, of course not, and I definitely didn't say that. My point is that I think the same laws should apply equally to people of any religion (or none), whatever the law and whatever the religion. For example, I feel strongly about laws against sexism and homophobia which the Church of England gets exemption from.

animal welfare standards are not the same as actual legislation.

I stated that some religions are exempt from a section of the law which requires all animals to be stunned before slaughter. So that is about legislation.

Or is it just people perceived as being "foreign" and "pandered to" who face this line of questioning?

I certainly didn't say either of those things, and no, I wouldn't agree with that at all, so please direct your question to the relevant people instead.

There is an EDL thread not dissimilar to some of these comments that some may enjoy. By the way, I live in a Muslim country and we have just been for breakfast and my family had pork bacon. Last night we had a few glasses of wine. So, yes, Muslim countries DO bend over backwards for expats in some cases. Marks and Spencer's are selling Christmas cards already and will have a lovely display.

Well the bacon would not have been halal! Have you eaten meat in other parts of Europe say Italy? Or parts of rural France? As they dont stun animals before they kill them either.
Yes its not a nice thing for the animal to go through but neither is the whole farming process either eat less meat or no meat! And have a read about dairy farming and think about how ur milk and cheese made.

nennypops - Yes she is! Because I dont agree with halal meat!why the fuck isnt that ok?
Muslims dont feed their children non halal meat and thats fine but the shoes on the other foot and Im racist???

and shes 9mo so I doubt shes overly interested in research.

I thought Kosher meat involved cruelty as well?

So why not the " my daughter would never eat halal/kosher" posts instead of halal only?

It is like reading the posts from a Daily mail thread.

I don't care what people eat just that they let me some.

Have some to eat

That makes sense....
Personal fucking choice. End of.

Bazoo23- it is personal choice I agree.

But Can I ask why when you mentioned your daughter would not eat halal meat , you never mentioned kosher meat which is consumed by the Jewish community.

They both have similar practices as far as I can see.

Erm, Tavv? Did you really think I didn't know that there are people in the world concerned with animal welfare per-slaughter? Or do you just feel the need to attack strawmen? I may as well spell it out clearly for you: I meant "all that effort and thought and vitriol" on this thread. The vast majority if this thread is focused on slaughter, not per-slaughter. And you, among many others, have decided that stunning plus conventional slaughter is more humane than shechita. That is a belief that is not fully supported by the facts, to put it mildly.

Because the thread is about halal meat .....

Oh kosher meat used to receive exactly the same sort of vitriol ...you know, back in the twenties and thirties . Kosher tax, cruelty etc. It probably still does but maybe those same groups feel it's politically safer to attack Muslim traditions. I have no doubts that if they were to have their way with banning halal, kashrut would be next.

How do you feel about kosher meat?

Yanbu halal meat is appallingly cruel. Time for a boycott
factory farmed pig is "appallingly cruel" FWIW but I bet you scoff that up without a second thought

Muslims dont feed their children non halal meat

^^^^ So not true!!!!!!!!

Does no-one ever believe that among Muslims there are variances and differences of observance like in any other religion?????

And yes, sentiments about kosher meat have been exactly the same and the same right-wing populist rhetoric is very obvoius here.

And no there is not only racist, even there is a wide spectrum between being non-informed to blatantly fascist.
And yes, what some people are expressing here might not be racist per se, but stinks of bigotry.

absolutely worldcitizen - I have had Muslim friends who might have discouraged their children from eating pork but were not adverse to the odd bacon sandwich themselves, and were just not that strict about it, just like non/semi-observant Jews, or Christians who do not see the inside of a church from one year to the next.
This idea of 'the Muslim' as a strictly religious bearded fanatic is bollocks

Observant muslims don't eat non-halal meat, some might eat kosher if there's no alternative but they would not eat non-halal meat.

That's right. Bollocks

Also, there is another dangerous right-populist sentiment creeping up in UK society across many many population groups...which is not differentiating between religion, culture, tradition and nationality.

Lots of putting all these in one pot and there is this thought of ethnitization of religion.