to think Halal meat is cruel?

[IAmMiranda]

Bought a very nice panini today (bacon, brie and cranberry) from the local sandwich shop.

I didn't realise at the time that all the meat in that shop is Halal, which I am strongly opposed to.

Here is Wiki's description of Halal

^"Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of Allah") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained."

AIBU to think this seems unnecessarily cruel?

(I realise the UK meat industry is far from perfect but this seems particularly nasty)

[Cosmos123]

Halal bacon?

Give me a break!

Is this a EDL Islam bashing OP?

At thick one at that..

[WestieMamma]

I think that when it comes to the slaughter of animals religion needs to be removed from the decision making process entirely. There needs to be proper impartial research into what is genuinely the most humane way and that should be used for all animals.

[Cosmos123]

I think it is impossible to remove religion from the process.

On this planet we need live side by side and respect others ways of life.

If you find halal/ kosher unacceptable and feel strongly about it, then don't buy it.

I personally believe the RSPCA do ensure guidelines are followed. I rather this then it all go underground if it was banned etc

[Ponyo73]

Agree with Tavv and Bazooka23. The argument isn't religion-based but for the empathy of the animal killed. Personally speaking, I'm all for multi culturism, ethnic diversity and embracing new ways of life. But when An animal is treated in a cruel manner in this country, for religious beliefs then I rail against it, such protection given to these minorities. We have our laws and beliefs pertaining to animals, and everyone who wishes to be a citizen of this country should adhere and respect. What are the funking chances. Apologies for swearing.

[GoshAnneGorilla]

"Everyone who wishes to be a citizen of this country"

Oh ffs, it always ends up with someone threatening to deport Muslims, doesn't it? Because we're not really British, just tolerated foreigners, right?

World citizen's post is eerily prescient.

[GatoradeMeBitch]

I volunteer on a small organic farm. I think it's as kind as farming gets; the animals get wide open living spaces, they live in family groups where possible, the farm does research into ethical farming methods, etc, But when the animals are herded into the abattoir lorries they get very distressed. It's upsetting to watch. I can't imagine their experience at the other end. It's all very cruel, whichever way the killing is done.

[Ponyo73]

Nooooo. GoshAnneGorilla, when did I ever say anything about threatening to deport Muslims. of course you are British, I have many 3rd generation friends from abroad but I'm not going to try to prove myself as I know it's futile as you have already labelled me as you think I have done. All I'm saying is that I want animals to be treated in a humane manner but adding to that if I lived I a country that advocated Halal only and I wished a different method of killing in a humane, stunning manner? Think I would be mocked?

[GoshAnneGorilla]

Ponyo - not buying it. If we were discussing battery hens, you would never use the "if they want to be citizens of our country" rubbish.

If you don't want to be accused of being bigoted, don't use bigoted phrases.

[PrincessFlirtyPants]

I think that when it comes to the slaughter of animals religion needs to be removed from the decision making process entirely. There needs to be proper impartial research into what is genuinely the most humane way and that should be used for all animals

Very well put, WestieMama

[defuse]

Oh here comes the, " muslim countries wouldnt allow me to practice my belief would they" argument! Do you think you are better than muslims because you 'allow' them so many liberties in their own country of britain? You may be all for multiculturalism and you may have many muslim friends, yet you think they are law breaking who shouldnt be given citizenship to your country!!!! Jaw-dropping hypocrisy! What a lovely friend you are to those muslims - or are you just doing them a favour!

[GatoradeMeBitch]

There is research on humane slaughter methods. Temple Grandin is famous for inventing pretty much the perfect way of killing cattle without causing them fear. But it's all very expensive, and farming does not produce much profit now. The farm I work at has bred fleece shedding sheep, because it costs twice as much to shear a sheep than they would get for the fleece.

[Ponyo73]

Hate battery hens by the way. Not personally but treatment of course. The use of 'citizens' can incite such revulsion as if I'm suggesting some Orwelian society.

Just saying that the Halal method is not of our culture and cruel (to me, not the masses). If the shoe was on the other foot and we lived abroad and demanded that our ex pat kids had organic meat raised in good conditions, do you think their govt would bend over backwards for fear of offence?

[GoshAnneGorilla]

"Our culture"

Who is "our"?

I would stop digging that hole if I were you.

[Latara]

Halal bacon... yeah righhht!!!

[GatoradeMeBitch]

I suppose we're quite lucky in that way crescentmoon, the farm gives us meat, veg and eggs in return for volunteering. I don't eat meat often, but it's nice to eat the eggs having seen for myself that the hens are happy and healthy. The farm I'm at sells meat and eggs to a local box scheme, and they're not too expensive. I think a lot of box schemes are happy for customers to visit and see where their food is coming from.

[worldcitizen]

Who is we???? YOU're clearly making differences don't you

Why don't you and some others here don't admit openly that this is about other things. Clearly negative sentiments towards British citizens you don't deem to be part of your group of we...

Bigotry will always find its way out in some form or another disguised as concern and/or valid criticism somehow.

These post here are so awful, that they barely leave any type of Muslim (regardless how observant they are) participate in an exchange of thought.

[Ponyo73]

GoshAnneGorilla. Our culture, as in the people of Britain, have a traditional way of life, a history. Or is that dead? Is it a dirty word to say our 'culture' or being a 'citizen' of Britain?

I have Asian friends before you reach for the racist retort . I just despair when You can't wear a cross around your neck and be a Christian but you can be a one eyed, extremist with a hook for a hand advocating for the deaths of all Christians? Go figure? So can I not have a say in a Mumsnet debate without insidious inferences.

[jellybeans]

YANBU

[worldcitizen]

^I have Asian friends before you reach for the racist retort . I just despair when You can't wear a cross around your neck and be a Christian but you can be a one eyed, extremist with a hook for a hand advocating for the deaths of all Christians? Go figure? So can I not have a say in a Mumsnet debate without insidious inferences^

^^^^ Says soooooooooo much about you

[defuse]

Ponyo, have you bent over backwards for muslims? Or is it the british government, you feel that bends over backwards for muslims - their citizens? I would like examples please.

Btw, fyi, you can still be racist even if you have asian token or non-token friends.

If you have a complaint about the treatment of christians, address it. Do not take your anger out on muslims. It stinks of intolerance!

[nennypops]

Bazoo: "Unecessarily cruel, yes.
My daughter will never eat halal meat."

But she's OK to eat meat that may have been factory farmed? Has she checked out how the animals were slaughtered?