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I don't f***ing believe it

241 replies

Neeliethere · 02/10/2013 02:24

OH has met someone else. I get that. It hurts. He's taking her away for the week next week. I am at the marital home with my daughter. The marital home has a large drive. She lives 50 miles east of here and they are travelling a long way west.

They are going on holiday to an apartment we have rented as a family for the last six years that I found through a friend of mine and I have personally booked every year since then. Normally me and my daughter and her friend go but a few times with him as well. I am now feeling that I can never go there again because I will be thinking about how they were there having a lovely romantic time. I feel sick just writing this. Tell me I'm not mad.

As if that isn't bad enough he informs me that she is planning to drive to our house and leave her car on our drive while they are away. Am I going mad again? Is that just beyond the pale. The other woman's car on my drive whilst he takes her to our special holiday place shagging her senseless.

God the pain of it. How on earth do people manage to conduct themselves in such a heartless way????

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gobbynorthernbird · 02/10/2013 20:46

your home? your daughter? Was your DD from a previous relationship?

The impression you have given a lot of us is that you're unreasonably angry. And now you're being all calm, collected and giving the complete other side. Which is what emotionally unstable/abusive people do. Of course your ex wasn't up to arguing in front of DD. I try not to, as does my OH.

The marital home and your DD are not your sole posessions.

FutTheShuckUp · 02/10/2013 20:55

I don't doubt that he's an arsehole and being married to him was hell. But this is a separate issue altogether from the new woman

Alwayscheerful · 02/10/2013 21:00

"However when OUR daughter arrived".

Gobbybird if you read the last post OP uses our AND my.

If her STBXH has been EA for many years, she will feel like she is going mad and he will tell her she is going mad, she needs to come here and vent and try and stay strong and look for closure.

Alwayscheerful · 02/10/2013 21:03

FSU - I agree and we can gently point this out. Personally I think the OW might be helpful in obtaining closure.

Wheretogofor1stworldproblemsup · 02/10/2013 21:06

Poor OP. I thought this place was for support!!

gobbynorthernbird · 02/10/2013 21:07

Yes, Always, but bottom line is my. (As in the limit, not the literal bottom line.)

And vitriol, vitriol, vitriol, she's a slag, she's on the dole, he's a cunt. Oh, not everyone agrees with me, change tactics.

BruthasTortoise · 02/10/2013 21:09

The "OW" is not an "OW", she is the OPs ex's new partner. And tbh I feel a great deal of sympathy for her, she is a young single mother who has recently been made homeless by her cheating partner and has now landed herself in a relationship with a much older emotionally abusive man whose ex wants to trash her car and hates her with a fiery passion.

mayorquimby · 02/10/2013 21:21

"I just want him to move out and get on with the lovely lady and let me enjoy peace in my home with my daughter. Is that too much to ask?"

Well yes.
Why should he leave his home and daughter now that you've decided to return after months?

Neeliethere · 02/10/2013 21:27

"Yes, Always, but bottom line is my. (As in the limit, not the literal bottom line.)

And vitriol, vitriol, vitriol, she's a slag, she's on the dole, he's a cunt. Oh, not everyone agrees with me, change tactics."

I beg your pardon. I think you will find at no point did I use that language. Vitriol maybe. I defy anyone to spend years being emotionally abused and not feel angry and lash out. And make no mistake I have been emotionally abused. I've spent weeks in counselling and many hours with the other women doing the Freedom Programme and there is no doubt in my mind I have been with an emotional abuser. I have also stooped to a certain level of abuse in retaliation. But unless you have been there you have no idea just how mad the behaviour can send you.

And no matter what, his actions of going to the family holiday place with this new woman and suggesting she park her car outside our house and taking her to meet our daughter's god parents just weeks after meeting her is a lot insensitive to me. I can see it as that at best and downright inflammatory at worst. That is what has made me so angry. I get that he has moved on and met someone else, but he seems to delight in poking her presence in my face. He is continually telling me how wonderful she is and how much better she is at everything I do and how much happier she makes him than I ever did. I am lost to understand if he is so happy why he feel the need to lash out at me. Maybe someone can explain that to me?

I did state that she was a single mum on benefits. That doesn't mean she's a bad person, but it does mean that I felt I needed to regain the use of my house as it has a large amount of personal money wrapped up in it and I was aware that since she arrived on the scene our daughter has been neglected somewhat.

I am also aware that my husband will very likely play the rescuer and want to install her in the marital home if she falls on even harder times. He would have done similar for me. Indeed he did offer to clear my mortgage arrears when we first met but I decided I would rather manage it myself as I felt strongly about being independent and wanting to be sure I was with someone because I wanted to be with them and not because they could uplift my lifestyle if you know what I mean.

I am a bit judgemental in my view of the situation but that may well be because, as so many other posters have pointed out, this is a well trodden path with newly separated men. They are in a hurry to find someone else and their judgement may be impaired. I think in this case it probably is. But apart from the issue of the risk of them moving into my house nothing else is any of my business.

The initial post was of raw pain at having discovered a place I have known as our family place for many years is now being enjoyed by them as a new couple. It hurts and I defy anyone not to feel pain at that after 21 years, some of them happy times, particularly those times spent there.

I am pleased that this post has generated so much interest though.

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Serialdrinker · 02/10/2013 21:30

Lets take the 'O' woman out of it then rather than attack the OP for wording it wrongly. Lets accept and offer support to her based on all the other info. E.g. That her ex is an abusive twat that is continuing to abuse her & DD since they split. OP ask for this to be moved to relationships where the vipers should steer clear and you will get some real help and understanding for you and DD.

Serialdrinker · 02/10/2013 21:31

then. Rather*

Serialdrinker · 02/10/2013 21:32

Ignore my spelling/ grammar I have isshoos

FreshLeticia · 02/10/2013 21:33

Simple really - when he goes away you move back in, change the locks and claim residence on your house. If you must, have her car removed, but TBH, I don't think it the OW's fault, she has probably been told a tale as well, poor woman.
Stand your ground and stay in the home, you were silly to leave it in the first place.

flippinada · 02/10/2013 21:33

Nor sure why the OP yards getting a kicking here. An ex having strong/mixed feelings of hurt, anger and jealousy a few months after a difficult relationship ends is hardly a radical or shocking situation, it's just being human.

Neelie hope you don't take some of the harsher posts here to heart. Having dealt with an EA ex myself, I know how it messes with your head. Take care.

flippinada · 02/10/2013 21:34

Not sure where yards came from there...!

McAvity · 02/10/2013 21:40

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mayorquimby · 02/10/2013 21:42

"Simple really - when he goes away you move back in, change the locks and claim residence on your house."

And when he simply forces re-entry to his house?

Changing the locks and shouting dibs isn't really a solution.
She moved out months ago
He's been living their continuosly

gobbynorthernbird · 02/10/2013 21:42

Oh, ok. You were doing a pretty good job of making her out to be a bad person before. Until people pulled you on it.

Neeliethere · 02/10/2013 22:08

Yes of course I did maker her out to be a bad person, because if she knows the full situation she is not a very nice person in my opinion. But, as many have said, we don't know if she knows the true situation.

I suspect she doesn't. I remember only too well when I first met my OH. His mum disapproved very strongly of our relationship. She was very rude and vitriolic to me on more than one occasion on the phone. I just let her vent. He shouted at her and told her he was choosing me over her and she could get lost slamming the phone down on her.

He then, seemingly, didn't speak to her for several weeks. In the middle of that those weeks I travelled to his home town to attend a wedding. The journey is just over 300 miles. I went by train. On arrival he drove me to his parents home. I said why are we here, she told me I wasn't welcome in her home. He said don't worry she's not here, they're on holiday and not back until tonight and dragged me into the house to get changed. I was very uncomfortable and just couldn't get out of there fast enough.

After we got changed he took me round to meet the mother's best friend that he called Aunty to meet me and get the stamp of approval from her. I now know what his game was. The closest female in his life didn't approve of me. He took me to the closest friend of her to seke her approval and to get his mum to feel that her best friend liked me - ergo so should she and she was the wrong one.

I think he's repeating the same pattern. He is wanting her to meet the people in our lives in the hope that they will tell me how nice she is and that I am being unreasonable being hurt by her presence in our lives.

That is the game he played 20 years ago and the game he is playing now. This couple are he is taking her to meet were my closest friends before meeting my OH and have been my support over the last few months.

Typing this just serves to endorse my belief that he is a master manipulator and abuser. Undermining, belittling are all tactic used by these characters. Using other people to endorse this is just another way of doing it. Isolating me from those closest by persuading them that I am wrong. A couple of weeks ago he phoned several members of my family and friends to assure them that he was being generous and kind to me. They mostly saw through it though.

Just another weapon from the huge arsenal that the emotional abuser uses to hurt those closest to him.

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Neeliethere · 02/10/2013 22:10

Maybe this should be moved to Relationships. I think it might well resonate with so many people on Emotional Abusive relationships.

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gobbynorthernbird · 02/10/2013 22:17

Undermining, belittling are all tactic used by these characters.

Which is exactly what you just did.

MorrisZapp · 02/10/2013 22:26

What is the full situation that the new gf doesn't know about?

SaucyJack · 02/10/2013 22:28

I don't disbelieve he was a bastard to be married to.

Thing is tho, going by this thread you're none too shabby in the manipulation, passive-agression and control freakery stakes yourself.

FWIW I have never known another victim of genuine, one sided abuse who'd be gagging to move back in with their abuser five months after breaking free.

sweetestcup · 02/10/2013 22:36

If its as bad as you say OP I couldnt bear to live there. Still unsure if your DH is 46 or 48 though.

Snazzyenjoyingsummer · 02/10/2013 22:37

So the #webelieveyou campaign was all about supporting victims of rape and making them feel supported and believed in. But when it comes to someone saying they've been emotionally abused, it's OK to all but say you don't believe them and they must have brought it on themselves? Hmm

OP, I think you are reacting in a very human and understandable way here. Try and let the more hostile posts wash over you. And yes, even if there had been no toxic history between you, I think the whole holiday booking / car stuff alone is incredibly insensitive and smacks of someone trying everything he can to hurt someone else's feelings.