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to wonder if being nice is really worth it?

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Doodlecockaquack · 22/08/2013 23:36

I am nice. I just am. I try to be considerate to everybody and their feelings, probably give the benefit of the doubt far too often, can't not help someone if I can and admire people who are kind and giving over those who are selfish. I don't think I'm better than anyone else, in fact I've never had a lot of confidence, and am acutely aware and harshly judgemental of my own faults and failings. I know I am over sensitive. I've even rewritten this paragraph several times because I'm worried about sounding smug/using 'I' too much/being too boring etc etc

Anyway, my question is this: Are 'nice' people ever happier than not so nice, mean and/or selfish people who have more regard for their own feelings that those of others? Are things which I regard as 'selfish' or 'not kind' - e.g. making hurtful jokes at someone else's expense, willfully ignoring the needs of elderly/vulnerable relatives, little comments intended to belittle someone, pushing ahead of old ladies at bus stops (to name a few recent examples) - really that bad? It's starting to seem to me that people who are selfish/graby/mean to others etc, really do just get away with it and that you get no credit for being 'nice'.

A few examples recently have really shaken my confidence, and I'd really like to know what I'm doing wrong because frankly, I feel mortified and a bit of a mug...

  • We recently got new neighbours, a young couple. Being a bit shy and not wanted to be intrusive, I wasn't straight outside grilling them. But, eventually, I quietly left the house to go for a walk as I always do with my DD and encountered and said hello to the mother of the girl moving in. She quickly told me who she was, and called her daughter over to say hello. Less than 5 mins of small talk ensued, during which she told me they were planning some work to the house which we have already had done. She said they had peered over the fence already to have a look (fine) and I said that if they wanted to come in and have a look they were welcome. A few days later, as I was in the front garden, the guy comes home. Similar hellos, about 3 minutes, no mention of the work, just general moving chat. Next day, clear as a bell because we both had our windows open, I hear the girl telling someone about me, saying I had held them both up for ages and joked about the sad local curtain twitchers. Not intended for me to hear I know, but hurtful.
  • In a queue for the checkout, chatting away to my DD (2yo) whilst holding her on my hip (out of choice, because she loves to see the till) but with a trolly full, I notice a woman with only 2 items behind me. I smile and ask if she'd like to go in front. She does a funny chuckle and asks if I'm sure. 'Of course'. She hesitates, then says no, it looks like I've got my hands full. I reply I'm fine, I'm about to put DD down, I don't mind. She says 'now you're just trying to make me feel bad, I'll wait here'. I smile and repeat I don't mind, but it's up to her, but don't press it and turn my attention back to my DD. She's joined by her DH in the queue who immediately remarks on the time it's going to take to get through. They continue to huff and puff about how there aren't any basket only checkouts open, then talk about an appt they have to get to. I'm just about to be served at this point, so turn around and say one more time 'if you're in a rush, skip ahead, it's fine'. She replies 'make your mind up love. I'll stay here now and hope I make it... just get a move on yeah?'. They glare at me the whole time I'm packing my shopping (as quick as poss). Why be so rude? And why throw my good intentions back in my face?
  • A friend of mine has recently had DC2, 12 weeks early, as I found out via facebook. We are not close friends, but met when our DD's were newborns (2years ago), and meet 1-2 times a month. I added my good wishes to the dozens already on her facebook, but I also sent her a private message, 3 lines long, putting myself at her service if they needed any help with their DD1 or a dog walker while the baby was in intensive care. Several other people (I don't know who they are), publically also offered support. Lovely, I thought, and a general message of thanks came from the new parents, along with periodic positive updates about the baby which were 'liked' by 50+ people, including myself... But a few days later, I got a reply to my message saying thanks for my offer but it wasn't my place to be 'muscling in' and that I needed to 'back off', of course they wouldn't let me look after their DD and that my interest in their lives was hardly appropriate- signed from friend and her DH. I was, and am, mortified, and just a bit godsmacked. I stress, I do not blame them in the slightest for reacting however the hell they feel like because I can't imagine the stress and worry they are feeling. I don't hold it against them, nor will I mention it if my friend ever speaks to me again. I'm just so upset to have caused them extra upset and mortified that I have done the wrong thing but I was only trying to be nice. Isn't that what people do in these situations?

In the last few months these things, but especially the last one, have really shaken me. I know it sounds indulgent and dramatic, but I feel so inadequate. I don't want credit for caring about others, but why does it so often turn into a negative trait? I'm not pushy, in fact, I'm shy and introverted. Would I be better off not giving so much of a shit, since my natural inclination to 'be nice' seems to backfire so often?

Obviously, I apologise for the length and wafflyness (is that a word!?) of this, it is another failing of mine Wink Sad I hope it makes sense to someone. Please don't flame me!

OP posts:
deepfriedsage · 24/08/2013 16:07

I prefer to be around nice kind people. I attracted users in the past. I worked on myself and learned to become more selfish.

I think our society is set up for the narcissist types and they do well socially, financially, career wise. Narcissistic Men are apparently very unhappy, narcissistic Women ate apparently very happy.

I would rather be me, I have myself and my maker to answer to, and we know the truth.

Keep being kind and nice, you are true to who you are.

NadiaWadia · 24/08/2013 16:16

I am dragging up this thread because its interesting and have been thinking about it over night. And I have to say now that some of you have a distorted perspective. Niceness does not equate to neediness. There may be a few people in the world who are overly pushy, I have encountered them myself, but these are usually people with little self-awareness (not thinking about how others might perceive their behaviour.)

In the OP's case I think she has too much self-awareness (and I have this problem myself) and worries too much about how she is perceived. And NOTHING she has described doing is in any way out of the normal, ignoring social conventions, etc.

For example, your new neighbour is meeting you for the first time, jokily admits to peering over the fence at your extension. You laugh together, and then suggest that if they want to see the extension sometime they are welcome. That is PERFECTLY NORMAL and I don't know anyone in RL who would think otherwise. It was a very casual offer, not even an invitation to a meal or anything like that. To suggest that it is weird, overstepping social norms shows a very warped view of the world.

Maybe some of you have bad experiences, and that is what has given you this outlook? But honestly and objectively, I think it is you who are out of sync.

tobiasfunke · 24/08/2013 16:25

I used to be you. I am a nice, helpful person and use to take it really badly when people were horrible to me. Some people get a kick out of being nasty to a nice person. It's easy pickings.

Now I am over 40 I am still nice but I have no truck with people who aren't. There are lot of horrible self centered, miserable, rude bastards out there. I'm related to a few.

I am much more assertive and if people behave badly I neither take it personally nor worry about it- I move on. It's taken me a while to get there. Hopefully you will too. Your friend with the baby is not a nice person what she said was horrible.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 24/08/2013 17:02

Nadia

I don't think that idea was offered up as fact, it was a theory - to be thought about and if necessary rejected, as it was in the OP's case.

The other thing - about worrying about what people think and being perhaps unduly hurt when people aren't nice back - was acknowledged by the OP.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 24/08/2013 17:06

...niceness can be the result of neediness, in some people.

NorfolkIngWay · 24/08/2013 17:17

Nadia the OP got a strange response in the supermarket and a real knockback by FB couple - it was a suggestion as to why this might have happened.
The OP sounds like a thoughtful person but admits to lack of confidence and sometimes this can come across as a bit full on and needy if a person overcompensates. It was a suggestion in response to the OP.
No one said all acts of kindness are needy !

I agree the neighbour thing was just one of those things -"got caught by the neighbour" and just something people say.

springytoffy · 24/08/2013 18:01

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springytoffs · 24/08/2013 19:28

oh? Sorry, don't remember what I posted

Sorry IA, whatever it was

this is going to get deleted isn't it.

springytoffs · 24/08/2013 19:31

Remembers!

Didn't mean people on this thread! Just generally people can make assumptions that kindness = neediness.

Apologies if anyone said that - I wasn't thinking of anyone specific when I posted, honest!

Shlurpbop · 24/08/2013 19:47

I always try to be a nice considerate person...

However, I will always speak my mind should someone abuse or take advantage of my kindness.

Unfortunately I think this attitude is essential if you do not wish to be walked all over.

Just remember what goes around comes around. Karma will get everyone in the end :)

kerstina · 24/08/2013 20:22

I think the OP is nice because she is sensitive. Unfortunately the downside to this is being hurt when other people are rude and insensitive.
OP has not overstepped any boundaries just the people who she has dealt with lately have not warranted her kindness. Just bad luck, am sure if you think about it you can think of lots of instances where your kindness has been appreciated.

funnyossity · 25/08/2013 10:26

Yes, Kerstina that's how I read it too.

I was thinking of this thread yesterday when an older man who looked ill and tired offered to let me and my son go ahead in a queue for the bus. Since we seemed far more robust I declined, twice! We then had a small exchange, smiles all round. Then the bus driver was a super-friendly type (seemed to have a north-east English accent!) It brought home how much more pleasant mundane life can be if people are courteous.

So please don't stop being kind OP but find a way to protect your own sensitivities. People can be having a bad moment or they can be long term cynics or grouches. Most people are OK.

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