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to wonder if being nice is really worth it?

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Doodlecockaquack · 22/08/2013 23:36

I am nice. I just am. I try to be considerate to everybody and their feelings, probably give the benefit of the doubt far too often, can't not help someone if I can and admire people who are kind and giving over those who are selfish. I don't think I'm better than anyone else, in fact I've never had a lot of confidence, and am acutely aware and harshly judgemental of my own faults and failings. I know I am over sensitive. I've even rewritten this paragraph several times because I'm worried about sounding smug/using 'I' too much/being too boring etc etc

Anyway, my question is this: Are 'nice' people ever happier than not so nice, mean and/or selfish people who have more regard for their own feelings that those of others? Are things which I regard as 'selfish' or 'not kind' - e.g. making hurtful jokes at someone else's expense, willfully ignoring the needs of elderly/vulnerable relatives, little comments intended to belittle someone, pushing ahead of old ladies at bus stops (to name a few recent examples) - really that bad? It's starting to seem to me that people who are selfish/graby/mean to others etc, really do just get away with it and that you get no credit for being 'nice'.

A few examples recently have really shaken my confidence, and I'd really like to know what I'm doing wrong because frankly, I feel mortified and a bit of a mug...

  • We recently got new neighbours, a young couple. Being a bit shy and not wanted to be intrusive, I wasn't straight outside grilling them. But, eventually, I quietly left the house to go for a walk as I always do with my DD and encountered and said hello to the mother of the girl moving in. She quickly told me who she was, and called her daughter over to say hello. Less than 5 mins of small talk ensued, during which she told me they were planning some work to the house which we have already had done. She said they had peered over the fence already to have a look (fine) and I said that if they wanted to come in and have a look they were welcome. A few days later, as I was in the front garden, the guy comes home. Similar hellos, about 3 minutes, no mention of the work, just general moving chat. Next day, clear as a bell because we both had our windows open, I hear the girl telling someone about me, saying I had held them both up for ages and joked about the sad local curtain twitchers. Not intended for me to hear I know, but hurtful.
  • In a queue for the checkout, chatting away to my DD (2yo) whilst holding her on my hip (out of choice, because she loves to see the till) but with a trolly full, I notice a woman with only 2 items behind me. I smile and ask if she'd like to go in front. She does a funny chuckle and asks if I'm sure. 'Of course'. She hesitates, then says no, it looks like I've got my hands full. I reply I'm fine, I'm about to put DD down, I don't mind. She says 'now you're just trying to make me feel bad, I'll wait here'. I smile and repeat I don't mind, but it's up to her, but don't press it and turn my attention back to my DD. She's joined by her DH in the queue who immediately remarks on the time it's going to take to get through. They continue to huff and puff about how there aren't any basket only checkouts open, then talk about an appt they have to get to. I'm just about to be served at this point, so turn around and say one more time 'if you're in a rush, skip ahead, it's fine'. She replies 'make your mind up love. I'll stay here now and hope I make it... just get a move on yeah?'. They glare at me the whole time I'm packing my shopping (as quick as poss). Why be so rude? And why throw my good intentions back in my face?
  • A friend of mine has recently had DC2, 12 weeks early, as I found out via facebook. We are not close friends, but met when our DD's were newborns (2years ago), and meet 1-2 times a month. I added my good wishes to the dozens already on her facebook, but I also sent her a private message, 3 lines long, putting myself at her service if they needed any help with their DD1 or a dog walker while the baby was in intensive care. Several other people (I don't know who they are), publically also offered support. Lovely, I thought, and a general message of thanks came from the new parents, along with periodic positive updates about the baby which were 'liked' by 50+ people, including myself... But a few days later, I got a reply to my message saying thanks for my offer but it wasn't my place to be 'muscling in' and that I needed to 'back off', of course they wouldn't let me look after their DD and that my interest in their lives was hardly appropriate- signed from friend and her DH. I was, and am, mortified, and just a bit godsmacked. I stress, I do not blame them in the slightest for reacting however the hell they feel like because I can't imagine the stress and worry they are feeling. I don't hold it against them, nor will I mention it if my friend ever speaks to me again. I'm just so upset to have caused them extra upset and mortified that I have done the wrong thing but I was only trying to be nice. Isn't that what people do in these situations?

In the last few months these things, but especially the last one, have really shaken me. I know it sounds indulgent and dramatic, but I feel so inadequate. I don't want credit for caring about others, but why does it so often turn into a negative trait? I'm not pushy, in fact, I'm shy and introverted. Would I be better off not giving so much of a shit, since my natural inclination to 'be nice' seems to backfire so often?

Obviously, I apologise for the length and wafflyness (is that a word!?) of this, it is another failing of mine Wink Sad I hope it makes sense to someone. Please don't flame me!

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CoffeeandScones · 23/08/2013 19:37

Be who you want to be Smile

I like being a nice person. I won't change that for anyone. There is difference though between being a nice person and taking other people's shit. Taken me 30+ years to start understanding that...

NorfolkIngWay · 23/08/2013 19:43

The reply from the FB couple is very odd - surely if you didn't want someone to help you would say "Thanks" but not take them up on the offer ?Confused

CailinDana · 23/08/2013 19:54

Dawnywoo - you say "I try so hard to be nice and positive" - why? Why not just relax and be yourself?

Gunznroses · 23/08/2013 19:58

Ahhhh! What a breath of fresh air you are! Smile come live near me please! They're the ones with the problem. You sound exactly like my kind of person.

twistyfeet · 23/08/2013 20:05

I wish there were more people like the OP in the world. We need more nice.

NorfolkIngWay · 23/08/2013 20:07

"Why not relax and be yourself? "

This

chillinwithmyyonis · 23/08/2013 20:19

With regards to the facebook incident, could it be the husband following up his wifes messages, she might be too busy with the baby and has given her husband the 'job' of keeping friends and family updated on fb. Maybe he doesn't know your friendship status with his wife and thinks you're more of a stranger and was a bit perturbed by your private message? Sorry, just a wild guess. I've had a premature baby, my whole day and evening was spent in neonatal so I wouldn't have had time for facebook at all, I'm just guessing hubbie was given the fb job and misjudged your message completely iyswim.

chillinwithmyyonis · 23/08/2013 20:21

Maybe he'll get an earful when she finally gets round to checking her messages and whatnot!

FinallySaidMama · 23/08/2013 20:31

OP you sound lovely. I'm sorry to hear you've had horrible experiences recently.

I think of myself as a 'nice' person, but like you, I'm learning that it doesn't get you anywhere sometimes (I think the phrase goes something like 'Expecting people to be nice to you just because you were kind to them is like a vegan expecting that the bull won't charge at them in the field' Grin )

I'm actually reasonably good at the assertiveness (although god knows how I would've responded to that horrible fb message!) But unfortunately I'm a stewer! The confidence is all a front and I stew on things for ages. And obviously so do you.

I wish I had the magic answer, I'm hoping it just comes in time. I try and take my inspiration from DH, he's the nicest, kindest guy, he'll do anyone a favour. But if they don't appreciate it, then that's it. And they get told why Grin He really couldn't give a fuck what people think! And that is what I aim for!

Chin up OP, keep being kind. The more like you the better!

funnyossity · 23/08/2013 20:45

OP you say you like to be considerate to everybody, but as you get to know them you may realise that not everyone deserves your consideration.

I had a lovely friend who would say about rude/nasty people "someone wasn't very nice to them when they were a kid!." Which has stopped me "stewing" over such people's actions over the years.

DanicaJones · 23/08/2013 20:49

I think that's probably true funnyossity

Beastofburden · 23/08/2013 20:55

Doodle, I think a modest job or volunteering would be perfect. If you have a role and a place in something, you can contracted on doing a good job and being nice without having to justify why you are there every five minutes. Good luck!

(Personal tip- join a choir. Any standard that suits you. Singing is the most life enhancing thing and kindness abounds.)

Gunznroses · 23/08/2013 21:15

[blink] [laugh]

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 23/08/2013 21:17

beast

once again, I agree. I love singing in our choir

Gunznroses · 23/08/2013 21:17

Oops! Just testing Blush

Doodlecockaquack · 23/08/2013 23:02

I love singing and do so all the time, but if I were to inflict it on the public I would deserve the abuse Grin Lovely thought though.

I'll leave this thread with lots of food for thought and a bit of a boost so thank you. To those who suggest I am needy and/or overstep social boundaries - this week I have spoken to my DH & DD, mum, exchanged hellos with the my other neighbour as I got out the car, answered a single question posed to me about weaning by a mother of a younger baby at a library group, said thank you to the librarian as I left, called the energy company and exchanged texts with my oldest friend who lives miles away. That's it. I've been shopping, been swimming, basically been within speaking distance of dozens of people and not bothered a single one further than a brief 'thanks' to shop assistants. In fact, I reckon that I've left a pretty light footprint on the world this week, as I do most weeks. I'll think on it, but even I struggle to convince myself I'm not worth the 2 good (but fairly distant) friends, 2 difficult ones and the occasional friendly, passing, interactions with others I have.

Thank you all for your thoughtful posts Thanks

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JamieandtheMagicTorch · 23/08/2013 23:05

Think about getting that book as well. Two whole Mnetters recommended it ...

Take care

Lazyjaney · 23/08/2013 23:14

My view is start off treating a person as you'd like to be treated, then reciprocate with the way they treat you after that.

Do you live in London by the way? No one talks to anyone until you have nodded at them in passing for 10 years Grin

HarryTheHungryHippo · 23/08/2013 23:20

I think it's sad that we live in a country where if someone is nice they are seen as a people pleaser or a pushover. Being nice and friendly here makes people uncomfortable.
I have a friend who spends half his year here and half in Switzerland, he's a lot more friendly and chatty when he comes back from there but people look at him like he's nuts if he makes conversation in the supermarket.
We're so antisocial here I find it really sad

Doodlecockaquack · 23/08/2013 23:33

I grew up in an outer London borough, have spent time commuting inc the tube, and now live in a commuter town. Don't worry, I'm pretty well versed in London anonymity and The Rules of train/tube travel Grin It took a while to get used to the extra friendliness of people when I worked in Newcastle, but the way I see it the differences are just superficial - the way strangers/near strangers interact in those fleeting situations such as in shops/on trains differs, but people are just the same really, good bad or indifferent and more permanent relationships such as neighbours, collegues or friends are treated similarly wherever you are. I guess sometimes you just can't win though!

I will get that book, 2 mners is good enough for me, thank you Jamie.

Goodnight x

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springytoffy · 24/08/2013 01:01

What book? I missed it, sorry.

burberryqueen · 24/08/2013 08:59

not true at all IME Janey, about London.

twistyfeet · 24/08/2013 11:02

I agree with Harry. Its awful that 'nice' is seen as 'needy'. We are so unsociable here.

Fillyjonk75 · 24/08/2013 11:07

I find outside London that strangers do chat in shops and supermarkets a lot and it isn't thought remotely weird.

Niceness is always something to aspire to, though I think you have to balance doing things for others with your own needs and make sure others don't take advantage.

Also I have often had the "No good deed goes unpunished" thing, but it doesn't stop me.

Fillyjonk75 · 24/08/2013 11:08

Kindness and humility are underrated, IMO.

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