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Family row - I know I am slightly unreasonable, but by how much?

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PMDD · 10/08/2013 16:49

We have had a big family row and I genuinely don't know how unreasonable I am. I know I am slightly at fault. My view is that with all rows there is not really a black and white, just shades of grey. I just want to know how far in the dark grey I fall!

My brother's girlfriend is 6 months pregnant and from another country to England (I am English), but they live in England. I have 3 children. We recently spent a week away together and brother's girlfriend was regularly pointing out all the things she wouldn't do when her baby was born (her first child).

For example, on my youngest child's birthday I made a 'party tea' of Jaffa cakes, party rings, crisps, ham sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, birthday cake etc. She had none and as I was scraping the heart shaped Barbie plates into the bin she commented that she will never fill her child with fatty or sugary foods. I said nothing after the pointed comment.

Another time, my 2 oldest children were playing on the Wii as my DH and I packed the car up for the beach. However, once packed we had to shoe horn them off the Wii to get into the car. Again, my brother's girlfriend said that it was lazy English mothers that plonked their children in front of the gamestations rather than doing things with them. I said nothing.

Every day my children (age 9, 7 and 5) went to bed on holiday at 8.30ish. They normally go to bed at 7.30ish on a school day. However, no matter what time I put them to bed they are always up at 6.30 at the latest. My brother's girlfriend every morning said that it was strange how the English put their children to bed early. Again, I said nothing.

However, the regular comments were beginning to grate as I took them personally. I was hormonal - serious PMT and obviously at 6 months pregnant, so was she.

Towards the end of the week we went out and she was becoming animated at how the English had strange ways of 'your turn' and 'my turn' in changing nappies and getting up in the night etc. She said that it was wrong and it was for the mother to do 100%. I said that when you have 3 children it was very different and you get very tired and you need to share the load etc.

To which my brother's girlfriend said that if you couldn't cope with 3 children you shouldn't have had them. She followed with the fact her mother had 4 children and never had help from their father who worked hard etc.

I was really upset and cried. I then forcefully told her off and said she was very rude and offensive. She immediately apologised and said she didn't want to upset me. I responded with the fact she had upset me and was very rude.

I didn't really accept her apologies that evening, but the next morning I apologised for not having accepted her apology earlier.

This was a week ago and we are now all back in our respective homes.

My brother phoned me today to ask if I would call his girlfriend as she was still smarting that I called her rude. As I didn't want to start the argument all over again I said to him that I would call her and said that we both said things and I would like to draw a line in the sand.

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

She will be bringing her child up in England but wants to raise him the way her country would raise a child. She really has big issues with the way the English raise their children. Which is where all this started.

Just tell me what you think. How far in the wrong am I?

OP posts:
OrangeLily · 10/08/2013 16:53

I don't have children but think she was in the wrong and also possibly travelling in some kind of time warp too. Stand your ground!

WorraLiberty · 10/08/2013 16:54

Tell her to fuck off

What wonderful country does she come from btw?

thisisyesterday · 10/08/2013 16:54

I don't think you were wrong at all.
I think it's normal for people with their first child to think "ho, i'll never do THAT" (just you wait!) and for those with less tact to voice those opinions... but she went too far IMO, especially telling you you shouldn't have had 3 kids if you couldn't do everything yourself.

she apologised for upsetting you, you accepted her apology and apologised yourself... i don't see that there is anything else that needs doing tbh

Whothefuckfarted · 10/08/2013 16:55

You're not wrong at all IMO...

She can bring her kids up as she likes. She can't throw her judgemental old fashioned views at you about how you bring yours up.

RandomMess · 10/08/2013 16:55

Hmmm I think you need to talk this through with your brother first, does he not see that she was indeed being rude and hurtful? She is going to have a bumpy ride if she can't tone down voicing her opinions on other peoples child rearing!

Overreactionoftheweek · 10/08/2013 16:55

You weren't wrong at all.

It might be a teeny bit U to cackle in her face when her baby arrives and she breaks all her stupid rules Grin

I have a very annoying sil who was like this...her baby is 3 months old and apparently she has confessed to mil that she was an idiot and had no idea what it was really like

EagleRiderDirk · 10/08/2013 16:55

She was rude. End of. Though I would tell your brother that if she apologises for everything she has said, especially about how you can't cope with your kids and then you may apologise for calling her rude in turn. But otherwise, she was rude and I can't see why you should apologise for calling her on it.

LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy · 10/08/2013 16:55

But she was rude.

She's entitled to want to raise her child how she sees fit, but commenting on how you raise yours is rude.

I don't see how you're remotely BU.

ReginaPhilangie · 10/08/2013 16:55

I think she's a rude cow who is going to get a massive shock when she's had her baby. If she doesn't like the way the English do things then WTF is she doing living over here? Hmm I wouldn't be phoning her at all, the cheek of her, (and your brother)! I would take great pleasure in reminding her of all the shite she spouted once she has her baby and realises it's not all fucking roses, but then I can be a bit of a bitch like that. Wink

LaGuardia · 10/08/2013 16:55

I give her a week before she is sobbing over night feeds!

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 10/08/2013 16:56

Not very far.

I wouldn't be apologising. That would be saying that you were wrong to be fed up with her comments, which you weren't.

I think what you've offered is fair. A line in the sand.

Most I'd say was that I feel it is important to respect one another's choices and agree to not comment.

She wants to make you the bad guy. I don't see why you should accept that role.

I'd say no, I won't be apologising for what I said. We either agree to move on but with a mutual respect for our parenting choices or we don't, but I'm not going to grovel because I don't feel I was actually wrong to feel the way I felt, only to not accept her apology in the first place.

Don't let her play the victim here.

Fairylea · 10/08/2013 16:56

Regardless of who comes from where no one tells anyone what to do with their children (unless it's an abusive situation obviously).

She was rude and wrong and probably jealous.

Let her stew.

MrsCosmopilite · 10/08/2013 16:57

I don't see that you need to apologise any further than you have already.

It's anyone's prerogative to have an opinion. It is rude to constantly reiterate that opinion when it implies bad parenting on someone else's behalf just because their views do not coincide with yours.

It's easy when you're not a parent to decide what you will and won't do, theoretically. The reality of parenting is different. I can remember saying that I'd never let my child sit and watch the myriad children's programmes that are on, and that I'd keep her entertained. That was before she was born. Today she had the TV on for an hour and was playing /watching it whilst I desperately tried to catch up with letters and phone calls.

I said I wouldn't fill her up with junk food. Yesterday she ate crisps, chocolate and ice-cream.

However, none of the 'naughty' things are a daily thing.

Sometimes just smiling vaguely and changing the subject are good. Or just saying, "That's a great idea for YOU to do that when you have your child/children. However, on this occasion I have chosen to differently."

Justforlaughs · 10/08/2013 16:57

Speak to her, make the first move but don't apologise for saying that she was rude if she was. If necessary explain again that most English people do things differently to the way she intends to do them, and that you are going to have to agree to disagree on this. It doesn't have to cause a massive row, just a bit of tolerance on each side (until she actually gives birth and then discovers that she was wrong Wink)

Flyonthewindscreen · 10/08/2013 16:59

Am a bit confused, you confronted her for being rude (she was), she apologised, you accepted her apology but now your DB wants you to phone and apologise to her Confused. I don't think YABU. Presumably your DB's GF speaks English as a second language, is it possible that she didn't mean her comments to sound so critical but that they came out that way because she wasn't using her mother tongue (clutching at straws!).

I would ignore what your DB has said about apologising and phone his GF directly to have a conversation along the lines you suggest, i.e. can we make a fresh start, don't want there to be bad feeling, will lovely for your DC to have a new cousin etc.

WestieMamma · 10/08/2013 16:59

I think she was rude, offensive and jingoistic/racist. There's no bloody way I'd be apologising to her at all.

Faith48 · 10/08/2013 16:59

You have done well to have not snapped earlier, she was extremely rude and her comments were unreasonable.

If the situation arises where it is brought up just let her know how you feel and that her comments towards your parenting are unwelcome and if she disagrees with something that she should keep it to herself, I would let her know that she upset you so at the time you didn't accept her apology however you would like to push it to the back of your mind, accept her apology and avoid the situation in the future.

WillYouDoTheFandango · 10/08/2013 17:00

I'm with everyone else, in fact I think you were very restrained not to tell her to fuck off much sooner and have been very fair to offer to start afresh. She's suffering from pre-parenting judgementalism so speaks a reformed sufferer. Hopefully in a few years she'll be Blush when she thinks back on how rude she's been.

headlesslambrini · 10/08/2013 17:01

I don't think you WBU at all. She was rude several times to you before you mentioned it. Do not apologise to her. Have conversation and say that you understand that different people from other countries have different ways of doing things etc but if she wants to make friends at the school gate then she needs to learn the art of being tactful and keeping her gob shut no matter what she thinks.

She will probably be begging for help when she is 12 weeks with no sleep, colic, up to her eyes in nappies and hasn't spoken to another adult for 3 weeks apart from the health visitor.

Faith48 · 10/08/2013 17:01

Sorry, I have just seen that you did accept her apology. I would just let her know that you have had enough of the comments. YAN the unreasonable one - she is.

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:02

She is Spanish. She believes that children should go to bed at gone 10 then they will get up at 8 or 9. However, they have siestas. That doesn't really work in England when you have to get them up at 6.30 or 7 for work/school.

My brother (sister and brother in law) all said that I took her comments too personally and that they were not meant to be pointed at me. Some of this is true. For example, her extremely fanatical views on using dummies or bottle feeding were not pointed at me (as mine are way older than that). However, some of them were very much pointed at me, especially the going to bed 'early', the biscuits and crisps and the playstation games etc.

I did take it personally - probably due to PMT. My sister and brother in law (who have a 15 year old) said that they were secretly laughing behind my brother's girlfriend's back as they knew that in 3 months she would be going through hell.

However, I was the only one who pointed it out to her and said that she was rude and offensive.

The biggest things was that I didn't accept her apology on the night. She tried to put her arm around me and I shrugged her off. I really wasn't up for a hug. This was petty on my part.

I don't mind calling and saying "we both said things that up set the other one, lets just draw a line in the sand". However, my brother said that she is looking for an outright apology.

OP posts:
Katisha · 10/08/2013 17:02

I wouldn't apologise further. You don't want to get into a situation where she becomes the one who is allowed to say whatever she likes and yet Must Never Be Challenged.

Mintyy · 10/08/2013 17:03

God she sounds awful! You and she clearly have very little in common. Avoid as much as you possibly can.

VixZenFenchell · 10/08/2013 17:04

She was rude. You called her on it. I wouldn't even offer a line in the sand.

You weren't being remotely unreasonable.

As an aside, I love "jingoistic" :)

LooplaLoopy · 10/08/2013 17:05

Agree with the others. No more apologies!