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Family row - I know I am slightly unreasonable, but by how much?

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PMDD · 10/08/2013 16:49

We have had a big family row and I genuinely don't know how unreasonable I am. I know I am slightly at fault. My view is that with all rows there is not really a black and white, just shades of grey. I just want to know how far in the dark grey I fall!

My brother's girlfriend is 6 months pregnant and from another country to England (I am English), but they live in England. I have 3 children. We recently spent a week away together and brother's girlfriend was regularly pointing out all the things she wouldn't do when her baby was born (her first child).

For example, on my youngest child's birthday I made a 'party tea' of Jaffa cakes, party rings, crisps, ham sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, birthday cake etc. She had none and as I was scraping the heart shaped Barbie plates into the bin she commented that she will never fill her child with fatty or sugary foods. I said nothing after the pointed comment.

Another time, my 2 oldest children were playing on the Wii as my DH and I packed the car up for the beach. However, once packed we had to shoe horn them off the Wii to get into the car. Again, my brother's girlfriend said that it was lazy English mothers that plonked their children in front of the gamestations rather than doing things with them. I said nothing.

Every day my children (age 9, 7 and 5) went to bed on holiday at 8.30ish. They normally go to bed at 7.30ish on a school day. However, no matter what time I put them to bed they are always up at 6.30 at the latest. My brother's girlfriend every morning said that it was strange how the English put their children to bed early. Again, I said nothing.

However, the regular comments were beginning to grate as I took them personally. I was hormonal - serious PMT and obviously at 6 months pregnant, so was she.

Towards the end of the week we went out and she was becoming animated at how the English had strange ways of 'your turn' and 'my turn' in changing nappies and getting up in the night etc. She said that it was wrong and it was for the mother to do 100%. I said that when you have 3 children it was very different and you get very tired and you need to share the load etc.

To which my brother's girlfriend said that if you couldn't cope with 3 children you shouldn't have had them. She followed with the fact her mother had 4 children and never had help from their father who worked hard etc.

I was really upset and cried. I then forcefully told her off and said she was very rude and offensive. She immediately apologised and said she didn't want to upset me. I responded with the fact she had upset me and was very rude.

I didn't really accept her apologies that evening, but the next morning I apologised for not having accepted her apology earlier.

This was a week ago and we are now all back in our respective homes.

My brother phoned me today to ask if I would call his girlfriend as she was still smarting that I called her rude. As I didn't want to start the argument all over again I said to him that I would call her and said that we both said things and I would like to draw a line in the sand.

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

She will be bringing her child up in England but wants to raise him the way her country would raise a child. She really has big issues with the way the English raise their children. Which is where all this started.

Just tell me what you think. How far in the wrong am I?

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SixPackWellies · 13/08/2013 16:49

'lazy English mothers' is enough to say you do not owe her an apology.

(And I am not English, but that got my back right up).

pinkyredrose · 13/08/2013 17:14

I wouldn't blame her if she did go back to Spain. She's about to have baby with a controlling mysoginistic arsehole who's made it clear that childcare and housework are nothing to do with him and who forced her to move away from London where she was happy so she's now isolated too. Her family are in Spain and her DPs family think she's rude (whether she meant to be or not)

Yup I'd be getting on that airplane with the baby too.

urtwistingmymelonman · 13/08/2013 17:27

I don't see the whole big issue everybody has with pink ;)

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/08/2013 19:06

OP, you were not unreasonable. Not at all. She was rude, she upset you, you said nothing for as long as you could but she kept going until the camel's back was well and truly broken.

But for me, the crux of this matter is your brother and his behaviour. Not only was this whole thing was done and dusted until his phone call, he has also created a situation where his girlfriend is isolated, unhappy, and apparently dancing to his misogynistic tune. (Quick aside - is there an age difference between him and his girlfriend?)

"They used to live in London, which she loved, and she mixed mainly with Spanish there. My brother doesn't want to live in London and certainly doesn't want to bring a child up there. It was him that drove the move and she cried the whole journey out from London, apparently." This is where I get my idea that she is unhappy and isolated from. (And that he is an overbearing arse.) Presumably they have only lived in [wherever] a relatively short time? So she hasn't had much chance to find and make new friends yet. Add to that scenario that "He has gone on and on and on about how terrible his life was with his ex wife and how she was so wrong to expect him to iron his own shirts etc. I think that this is also driving my brother's new girlfriend to be like something from the 1940s. She thinks this is the way to keep him." So he has strongly reinforced in her mind all the crap that she came out with.

Despite her rudeness (and it was undeniably rude) I am feeling a bit sorry for her. For all of the above reasons, and also because I'm pretty sure that all this demanding an apology is not coming from her, but from him. I very much doubt she is "still smarting" about being called rude, and if she is it is probably because he has repeatedly told her that she should be.

You also said "I am the hot head of the family." Really? A hot head would have told her to eff off at her first rude comment, but you repeatedly held your tongue. Who decided you were any sort of a hot head, and assigned you that role in the family? This is important, as you say that " Due to this [being a hot head] my whole family think that the onus is on me to apologise again." Well, no, the onus is not on you to do any such thing. (And really, your whole family? Or just him?) You were not in the wrong (even the not accepting her apology is understandable in the circumstances). Your brother, however, is very deeply in the wrong. He is in the wrong for isolating his girlfriend and making her unhappy, he is in the wrong for reinforcing (gaslighting?) ideas in her head that will make it difficult for her to make friends (and further isolate her). He is in the wrong for stirring up this whole situation, demanding apologies where none are due. He is just in the wrong. Sad Angry

Floggingmolly · 13/08/2013 19:13

Don't apologise for calling her rude. Rude is the politest thing I'd have called her, she got off bloody lightly with her unwarranted, ignorant remarks.

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