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Family row - I know I am slightly unreasonable, but by how much?

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PMDD · 10/08/2013 16:49

We have had a big family row and I genuinely don't know how unreasonable I am. I know I am slightly at fault. My view is that with all rows there is not really a black and white, just shades of grey. I just want to know how far in the dark grey I fall!

My brother's girlfriend is 6 months pregnant and from another country to England (I am English), but they live in England. I have 3 children. We recently spent a week away together and brother's girlfriend was regularly pointing out all the things she wouldn't do when her baby was born (her first child).

For example, on my youngest child's birthday I made a 'party tea' of Jaffa cakes, party rings, crisps, ham sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, birthday cake etc. She had none and as I was scraping the heart shaped Barbie plates into the bin she commented that she will never fill her child with fatty or sugary foods. I said nothing after the pointed comment.

Another time, my 2 oldest children were playing on the Wii as my DH and I packed the car up for the beach. However, once packed we had to shoe horn them off the Wii to get into the car. Again, my brother's girlfriend said that it was lazy English mothers that plonked their children in front of the gamestations rather than doing things with them. I said nothing.

Every day my children (age 9, 7 and 5) went to bed on holiday at 8.30ish. They normally go to bed at 7.30ish on a school day. However, no matter what time I put them to bed they are always up at 6.30 at the latest. My brother's girlfriend every morning said that it was strange how the English put their children to bed early. Again, I said nothing.

However, the regular comments were beginning to grate as I took them personally. I was hormonal - serious PMT and obviously at 6 months pregnant, so was she.

Towards the end of the week we went out and she was becoming animated at how the English had strange ways of 'your turn' and 'my turn' in changing nappies and getting up in the night etc. She said that it was wrong and it was for the mother to do 100%. I said that when you have 3 children it was very different and you get very tired and you need to share the load etc.

To which my brother's girlfriend said that if you couldn't cope with 3 children you shouldn't have had them. She followed with the fact her mother had 4 children and never had help from their father who worked hard etc.

I was really upset and cried. I then forcefully told her off and said she was very rude and offensive. She immediately apologised and said she didn't want to upset me. I responded with the fact she had upset me and was very rude.

I didn't really accept her apologies that evening, but the next morning I apologised for not having accepted her apology earlier.

This was a week ago and we are now all back in our respective homes.

My brother phoned me today to ask if I would call his girlfriend as she was still smarting that I called her rude. As I didn't want to start the argument all over again I said to him that I would call her and said that we both said things and I would like to draw a line in the sand.

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

She will be bringing her child up in England but wants to raise him the way her country would raise a child. She really has big issues with the way the English raise their children. Which is where all this started.

Just tell me what you think. How far in the wrong am I?

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RobotHamster · 10/08/2013 17:15

Agree. Nothing to do with being Spanish. I had similar comments from a friend about DP getting up in thR night, how Mum should do all the looking after so the poor man can relax after a hard day at work.

I laughed at her. She didn't take it too well.

SoupDragon · 10/08/2013 17:16

Phone and say "I'm sorry you are upset that I said you were rude and offensive for continually criticising my parenting choices. I wish you the best of luck raising your child in the way you see fit."

tabulahrasa · 10/08/2013 17:17

You don't need to apologize - she was being rude.

She can think things like that all she wants, that's up to her, but she was directly criticizing a way of doing things that you do, knowing that that's how you do things...that's rude, of course it is.

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:19

My brother has an ex wife who he has divorced very messily. His ex wife expected him to help with the housework and getting up in the night and feeds and nappy changing etc. with their 2 boys (who are now 20 and 15).

He has gone on and on and on about how terrible his life was with his ex wife and how she was so wrong to expect him to iron his own shirts etc.

I think that this is also driving my brother's new girlfriend to be like something from the 1940s. She thinks this is the way to keep him.

However the Spanish way is very traditional.

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Vivacia · 10/08/2013 17:19

She hasn't had baby number 1 yet. She'll learn. I know it's too late, but in future could you just nod and smile and say things like, "I'm sure you'll never feed them crisps" and "I'm sure you'll change every nappy". And perhaps, just perhaps, in two children's time you could remind her about some of her comments at opportune times.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 10/08/2013 17:21

Wow. So he's making sure that she knows to never expect and ask for any contribution from him to the care of the children he creates?

I've changed my mind.

Call her up and say you're sorry that she's lumbered with an arsehole.

Cluffyflump · 10/08/2013 17:22

She's a twat and how you didn't tell her to get to fuck is beyond me!
Sil needs to learn the British art of judging silentley Grin

SanityClause · 10/08/2013 17:22

Okay, you are sorry for some of the things you said. Apologise for them.

Don't be drawn back into the conversation again, though.

She doesn't have a bastard clue what it will be like. And why shouldn't a father have input into a child's care? I'm suuuuure there are Spanish women on this very forum who would be appalled if their DP/DH abdicated all responsibility of childcare to them.

She is wrong in what she said. She was rude to insinuate that you are lazy. So don't apologise for saying she was rude.

But, do apologise for the rude things you said, and the rude way you said them.

firesidechat · 10/08/2013 17:23

I also have a relative from a different country. A country that has a bit of a reputation for rudeness. They are, what I would politely term "blunt" and I've spent almost our entire acquaintance biting my tongue and resisting the urge to do what you have done. So I would say good on you!

I have also met others from the same country who have been lovely and not at all rude, so just think we have been a bit unlucky.

I probably wouldn't apologise, but that's easy to say when I don't have to live with the consequences like you will.

Jan49 · 10/08/2013 17:25

She was rude but you both apologised so that should really be the end of it. She needs to learn to keep her mouth shut. Could you explain to your brother that she was very rude and offensive and that was the last straw?

I've got an adult ds. I did a lot of things that were very different from the typical English family though I'm English and living in England. My ds went to bed late, didn't eat junk food or sweets and didn't watch much TV. I noticed that most people I know brought their kids up differently but I didn't say anything. If she keeps making the comments she made to you, she won't have many friends amongst parents of children the same age.

Her comment about the mother doing all the nappies was also incredibly sexist and I'd have pulled her up on that and it's not just when there are 3 dc that the father needs to change nappies. Any father should change nappies. I think I'd have been quite rude to someone who said that.

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lunar1 · 10/08/2013 17:25

She sounds like a racist to be honest. Replace lazy English mothers with any other nationality and it wouldn't be acceptable. No way would I be apologising to a racist.

candycoatedwaterdrops · 10/08/2013 17:27

YAsoooooooooooooooooNBU. I think your approach to moving forward is a very mature and generous one. I imagine she'll apologise when her baby arrives and she realises that her perfect little imaginary world is not as easy as she thinks. Think of how smug you'll get to feel!! Grin

Taffeta · 10/08/2013 17:27

I wouldn't be able to help myself mutter a little "of course, you'll understand how very irritating and rude it is to comment on other people's parenting when you have your own." I look forward to gloating at the time

Fairylea · 10/08/2013 17:27

If your brother is as bad as he sounds ... wow.

Maybe she's trying to kid herself that's really what she wants. When all the time she's learning that's not what most people do here.

I suspect your brother might be out on his arse when she wises up.

JerseySpud · 10/08/2013 17:28

yanbu to have told her off

ywnbu to laugh to yourself when shes tired and running around after her child

BeCool · 10/08/2013 17:28

I think she needs to apologise for bring an insufferable self obsessed bore and probably a racist too. And for degrading your holiday with uttering such thoughts from her teeny tiny mind when she should have just STFU.

OP, you've apologised already. No need to go further.

zatyaballerina · 10/08/2013 17:29

She's the rude one, you were entitled to point that out and you're a saint for holding your tongue for so long. No more apologies, in future when she makes a rude comment, point it out, don't let her away with it and don't apologise, if she can't take the response she shouldn't give the offense.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 10/08/2013 17:30

Anyone else want to bet that wife no 3 will be a mail order type bride?!?!

MammaTJ · 10/08/2013 17:30

Quite honestly, your brother sounds like a real problem. He should be building bridges between the woman he controls loves and his family, when he is just making demands of you. he is doing this because he doesn't want his wife to realise you are right and upset his perfect slave in the making

I agree with previous posters that she will change her mind when she has a baby or two herself but he will throw her much voiced opinions in her face.

Try to make a friend of her because if you don't, when she finds her voice with him, any nieces or nephews will be strangers to you, when they split up.

diddl · 10/08/2013 17:35

I feel a bit sorry for her now.

Your brother doesn't sound very nice & the way you spoke to her was pretty awful.

sameoldIggi · 10/08/2013 17:35

She was rude. Your brother is even ruder for sticking up for her! Just avoid, avoid.
She will go down a storm at baby groups.

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:36

I will give her a call and say that I would like to draw a line in the sand. I will say that my brother has told me she is upset about the row and I will say that I was also upset so understand how she feels.

I have to say, I think this won't go away.

Sadly I think his girlfriend may well take the new baby back to Spain a lot as she isn't settling where they are currently living. In deed if it gets really bad I can see her moving back with her parents in Spain. She hates the British weather. This winter was so long and their 400 year house was freezing for months.

They used to live in London, which she loved, and she mixed mainly with Spanish there. My brother doesn't want to live in London and certainly doesn't want to bring a child up there. It was him that drove the move and she cried the whole journey out from London, apparently.

I see trouble ahead. I'm not sure if it is just me and how I raise my children - that lazy English way.

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Pawprint · 10/08/2013 17:37

I don't think YABU. I know that some people who come from abroad do different things but this lady was being very rude.

I had a friend from abroad who was astonished that I fed my toddler food out of jars (he wouldn't eat anything else) but I think that was a cultural thing on her part. She wasn't disapproving, she just didn't get it. She also found it amazing that British people keep pet dogs in their homes as that is not part of her culture.

I think you were right in being cross with this lady. I wonder how smug and judgemental she will be when she is kept up all night by a screaming child (or three) and attempting to spoon organic lentils into children who only want Haribo?

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:39

I am not lily white in this. I wish I hadn't cried - that was the PMT and my hormones. If I had been calm and firm in telling her off, it would have been much better. I also wish I had accepted her apology when she first gave it that night.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 10/08/2013 17:39

She sounds unhappy and isolated. I am English abroad and find a lot of things people do here difficult and different. Its hard because you have no one to talk to. I know she was rude and annoying but try to feel for her. It's sounds like she is having a baby with a twunt as well.