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Family row - I know I am slightly unreasonable, but by how much?

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PMDD · 10/08/2013 16:49

We have had a big family row and I genuinely don't know how unreasonable I am. I know I am slightly at fault. My view is that with all rows there is not really a black and white, just shades of grey. I just want to know how far in the dark grey I fall!

My brother's girlfriend is 6 months pregnant and from another country to England (I am English), but they live in England. I have 3 children. We recently spent a week away together and brother's girlfriend was regularly pointing out all the things she wouldn't do when her baby was born (her first child).

For example, on my youngest child's birthday I made a 'party tea' of Jaffa cakes, party rings, crisps, ham sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, birthday cake etc. She had none and as I was scraping the heart shaped Barbie plates into the bin she commented that she will never fill her child with fatty or sugary foods. I said nothing after the pointed comment.

Another time, my 2 oldest children were playing on the Wii as my DH and I packed the car up for the beach. However, once packed we had to shoe horn them off the Wii to get into the car. Again, my brother's girlfriend said that it was lazy English mothers that plonked their children in front of the gamestations rather than doing things with them. I said nothing.

Every day my children (age 9, 7 and 5) went to bed on holiday at 8.30ish. They normally go to bed at 7.30ish on a school day. However, no matter what time I put them to bed they are always up at 6.30 at the latest. My brother's girlfriend every morning said that it was strange how the English put their children to bed early. Again, I said nothing.

However, the regular comments were beginning to grate as I took them personally. I was hormonal - serious PMT and obviously at 6 months pregnant, so was she.

Towards the end of the week we went out and she was becoming animated at how the English had strange ways of 'your turn' and 'my turn' in changing nappies and getting up in the night etc. She said that it was wrong and it was for the mother to do 100%. I said that when you have 3 children it was very different and you get very tired and you need to share the load etc.

To which my brother's girlfriend said that if you couldn't cope with 3 children you shouldn't have had them. She followed with the fact her mother had 4 children and never had help from their father who worked hard etc.

I was really upset and cried. I then forcefully told her off and said she was very rude and offensive. She immediately apologised and said she didn't want to upset me. I responded with the fact she had upset me and was very rude.

I didn't really accept her apologies that evening, but the next morning I apologised for not having accepted her apology earlier.

This was a week ago and we are now all back in our respective homes.

My brother phoned me today to ask if I would call his girlfriend as she was still smarting that I called her rude. As I didn't want to start the argument all over again I said to him that I would call her and said that we both said things and I would like to draw a line in the sand.

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

She will be bringing her child up in England but wants to raise him the way her country would raise a child. She really has big issues with the way the English raise their children. Which is where all this started.

Just tell me what you think. How far in the wrong am I?

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FobblyWoof · 10/08/2013 17:40

She's a cow. Everyone parents their own way but most of us keep our mouths shut and our opinions to ourselves. Probably doesn't help that I cannot stand anyone who says everything is up to the mother. What a stupid mug your sil is Angry

Treaguez · 10/08/2013 17:42

Faults on both sides, started by her. She apologised, you ended up apologising.
It is time to leave it.
If you apologise further, they will know they can spout crap in future, and you will be too wary to call her on it. Actually she needed telling that she needs to be more diplomatic.
She sounds very hard work btw and so does your brother.

diddl · 10/08/2013 17:43

"She's a cow"?

Heavens!

Am I the only one hoping that she hops back to Spain pretty smartish?

She was rude, but her husband sounds awful & the way OP spoke to her!!

everlong · 10/08/2013 17:44

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CailinDana · 10/08/2013 17:44

I actually feel very sorry for her. She's going to have a horrible time. I would call her and try to make friends. You know what your brother is like, you know she will really struggle. Please be kind. She was definitely rude but try to put it behind you and hold out a hand to her. Poor woman.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 10/08/2013 17:45

Sounds to me like this girlfriend has so many of her own issues playing on her mind that it never really fully occurred to her how her comments might come across to you!

She's living in a country where she has no friends or support and following in the foot steps of a woman who 'demanded' too much support from the brother... And she is having a baby.

I still think she is entirely in the wrong and that you have not at all been unreasonable..but She's in a shit situation and this might, in part, explain her rubbish comments.

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:46

Diddl, I could have been much more diplomatic. Another time of the month I would have been. I am really kicking myself about it. However, she was also very rude and offensive. Most other people would have bitched behind her back afterwards and then given her a wide birth. I called her up on it, but I did it in a very confrontational manner.

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everlong · 10/08/2013 17:46

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CailinDana · 10/08/2013 17:48

She has everlong, definitely. But a lot of people are really naive before they've had children. I would guess that she's quite worried about the baby coming and said those things to reassure herself and big herself up because in reality she's feeling very scared. She shouldn't have said them, I totally agree, but she is facing first time motherhood in a strange country with a man who sounds like a fuckwit. I couldn't feel anything but pity for her.

Thumbwitch · 10/08/2013 17:49

Hmm. I think that she was very rude, you did well to hold back as long as you did but perhaps that made it all worse when you did finally explode.

However, she WAS rude so there's no point in taking that back. There's also no point in taking back the home truths you told her because they ARE truths. There is no point lying to make her feel better for now, because in the end, she needs to accept the truth of what you said so that she doesn't continue to spout the crap about "lazy English mothers".

From your later posts though - I agree that she is not in a good way in herself - she's been moved away from a place she was happy, where she had friends of her own nationality and culture, to a place where it sounds like she knows no one. When she has the baby, she is going to find this incredibly difficult.

For both your sakes, you need to find a way forward but without you backing down completely (IMO) because I feel that she is going to need support when the baby is born and it doesn't sound like she's going to get it from your brother :(

I hope you can find a way to phone her and make amends, but without making an unreserved apology - she does need to understand where she was in the wrong - and "make friends" again.

EagleRiderDirk · 10/08/2013 17:50

How about offering a complete non apology:
I am sorry you feel that way, however I am as entitled to my own opinions as you are and we should draw a line in the sand about it

OhMowGod · 10/08/2013 17:50

OP you sound just like me, the PMDD the hot head of th family, not being diplomatic, telling people they've pissed you off.

I far too often mentally bollock myself for not keeping my mouth shut. Why didnt I just let that slide??

However, you were not OTT, over sensitive or unreasonable in your reaction nor your response to this woman.

Id have wanted to tell her to fuck the fuck off.

I couldnt give a left flip flop what country she is from, with all means have your traditions and ideals but from one woman to another dont bloody judge!

diddl · 10/08/2013 17:52

I agree that she was rude.

Of course, you let some things go, OP, but probably stored the resentment/ill feeling up!

If you generally get on OK, I'd just say "lets put it behind us".

She's going to need someone by the sounds of things.

urtwistingmymelonman · 10/08/2013 17:52

she is bloody rude!
imagine if you said'The(insert nationality here)are rubbish at this 'that and the other when it comes to bringing up children'?
you would be flamed for generalising about an entire nation and branded a rascist!

Xihha · 10/08/2013 17:53

you've already been nicer than i would of, DH's sister is very fond of 'id never let my kids...' type comments (she hasn't even got any kids yet) and she just gets told to fuck off.

JustinBsMum · 10/08/2013 17:55

I remember when I was expecting first DC that I was v critical when visiting someone whose DCs were watching a video (yes it was a while ago) 'my DCs will not be stuck in front of the tele' Grin Grin Grin

I had no idea how much work DCs were.

But just let it go imv. She wasn't being rude, more naïve, as anyone who doesn't have DCs is. And the different attitudes to parenting from different countries will never be reconciled.

HenWithAttitude · 10/08/2013 17:56

OP you sound honest and frank. She sounds honest and rude. Walk away and smile at the shock she has coming her way!

RussiansOnTheSpree · 10/08/2013 17:58

She was very very rude. If she talked to a non family member like that, what might happen? She might get told to fuck off. S you did her a favour really, although with hindsight you should have cut her off at the knees the first time she did the 'Id never do that with my kid' thing - asked her if she meant to be so rude, and explained that in this country, that sort of comment is likely to be taken very very badly indeed.

If I was you, I'd tell your brother that until she realises that she has nothing to be sorry for, and plenty still to apologise for (she made you cry, FFS. On your holiday. ) then you won't be having any more to do with either of them.

Viviennemary · 10/08/2013 17:59

She sounds a complete and utter pain in the neck. And I imagine she would be no matter what her nationality was. She is just rude and opinionated and should keep her thoughts to herself unless asked. Don't bother trying to reason with her. The type of person she sounds never listens to reason. Avoid as much as you can. Your poor brother!

marriedinwhiteisback · 10/08/2013 18:00

Hold out an olive branch OP. Don't you remember how you thought parenting would be before children. I can and mine are about to fly away. They weren't having dummies or formula or packet babyfood or waking in the night due to sensible naps and plenty of stimulation. They would practise their music and do their homework and come home reliably on time and there would be no girlfriends boyfriends staying over and they would be polite and presentable and never argue that marajuana should be as legal as alcohol or ciggies - and they wouldn't smoke of course relishes the odd drag on ds's ciggie

Let her fantasise a bit OP then nod in a supposrtive, non judgemental and understanding way when it all goes tits up because she really sounds like she will need a friend soon.

Good Luck!!

OhMowGod · 10/08/2013 18:00

JustinB if you were outwardly judgemental to a parent whos children were watching a video you were being rude.

As was the OP's brothers gf.

bibliomania · 10/08/2013 18:01

I will give her a call and say that I would like to draw a line in the sand. I will say that my brother has told me she is upset about the row and I will say that I was also upset so understand how she feels.

I think this is perfect. It sounds like she has a rough road ahead, so I'd be as kind as possible, although I agree that she was the one in the wrong. It's no skin off your nose.

Fwiw, I have a Spanish SIL (no dcs) who clucks disapprovingly when I allow dd to leave the table without finishing her dinner. It doesn't bother me, although it probably would if she outright called me lazy.

Thumbwitch · 10/08/2013 18:07

Going on about "lazy English mothers" is rude however you paint it, naive or not. So she WAS rude. The comments about "I would never let my child do XYZ.." are less rude, more naive, but pointed because they were in direct response to the OP letting her children DO XYZ, so still rude to the OP.

StanleyLambchop · 10/08/2013 18:08

Let me think now..

Party rings- check
Wii- check
7.30 bedtime- check
DH changing nappies & getting up in the night- check

Just as I thought, I am also a lazy English mother. Now, shall I tell her to fuck right off for the both of us??? YANBU!!

Sconset · 10/08/2013 18:11

Make peace, and sit back and wait smugly.
She may well find she has other ideas on parenting once she actually has some children!
She may need to revise her ideas on bedtimes too- our school send home letters of guidance on bedtimes for children according to age- no way can children in Reception of the Engllish system cope with a 10pm bedtime (other than those that have no melatonin etc)

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