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Family row - I know I am slightly unreasonable, but by how much?

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PMDD · 10/08/2013 16:49

We have had a big family row and I genuinely don't know how unreasonable I am. I know I am slightly at fault. My view is that with all rows there is not really a black and white, just shades of grey. I just want to know how far in the dark grey I fall!

My brother's girlfriend is 6 months pregnant and from another country to England (I am English), but they live in England. I have 3 children. We recently spent a week away together and brother's girlfriend was regularly pointing out all the things she wouldn't do when her baby was born (her first child).

For example, on my youngest child's birthday I made a 'party tea' of Jaffa cakes, party rings, crisps, ham sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, birthday cake etc. She had none and as I was scraping the heart shaped Barbie plates into the bin she commented that she will never fill her child with fatty or sugary foods. I said nothing after the pointed comment.

Another time, my 2 oldest children were playing on the Wii as my DH and I packed the car up for the beach. However, once packed we had to shoe horn them off the Wii to get into the car. Again, my brother's girlfriend said that it was lazy English mothers that plonked their children in front of the gamestations rather than doing things with them. I said nothing.

Every day my children (age 9, 7 and 5) went to bed on holiday at 8.30ish. They normally go to bed at 7.30ish on a school day. However, no matter what time I put them to bed they are always up at 6.30 at the latest. My brother's girlfriend every morning said that it was strange how the English put their children to bed early. Again, I said nothing.

However, the regular comments were beginning to grate as I took them personally. I was hormonal - serious PMT and obviously at 6 months pregnant, so was she.

Towards the end of the week we went out and she was becoming animated at how the English had strange ways of 'your turn' and 'my turn' in changing nappies and getting up in the night etc. She said that it was wrong and it was for the mother to do 100%. I said that when you have 3 children it was very different and you get very tired and you need to share the load etc.

To which my brother's girlfriend said that if you couldn't cope with 3 children you shouldn't have had them. She followed with the fact her mother had 4 children and never had help from their father who worked hard etc.

I was really upset and cried. I then forcefully told her off and said she was very rude and offensive. She immediately apologised and said she didn't want to upset me. I responded with the fact she had upset me and was very rude.

I didn't really accept her apologies that evening, but the next morning I apologised for not having accepted her apology earlier.

This was a week ago and we are now all back in our respective homes.

My brother phoned me today to ask if I would call his girlfriend as she was still smarting that I called her rude. As I didn't want to start the argument all over again I said to him that I would call her and said that we both said things and I would like to draw a line in the sand.

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

She will be bringing her child up in England but wants to raise him the way her country would raise a child. She really has big issues with the way the English raise their children. Which is where all this started.

Just tell me what you think. How far in the wrong am I?

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Morgause · 10/08/2013 17:05

You have nothing to apologise for. Miserable cow.

neunundneunzigluftballons · 10/08/2013 17:06

Sometimes it can be really tricky dealing with cultural differences and in these situations sometimes distance is the best answer she is in a relationship with your db not you so you can take a step back if needs be.

50shadesofmeh · 10/08/2013 17:06

She sounds like an arrogant arsehole OP I'd be distant but pleasant to her on the surface, nod and smile for your brothers sake and laugh your arse off when she's run ragged and plonking her kids in front of the tv with a bag of Haribo.

YouTheCat · 10/08/2013 17:07

She is a cow. No way should you apologise. If she hadn't been such a rude woman in the first place there wouldn't have been an argument.

I'd tell your brother to shove it.

Pixieonthemoor · 10/08/2013 17:07

Unbelievably bloody rude. How long has she lived in this country? I know someone from abroad who lives here and who is incredibly rude, blunt and disliked by most people around. But I also happen to know that her heart is good and that she just doesn't get the English way....of not being appallingly rude!! Her attitude is "this is the way I am, like it or lump it" and I do think that perhaps it really is a case of 'lost in translation'. Your brothers girlfriend is going to find her life quite lonely and difficult if she doesn't overcome her bluntness. Quite frankly, nobody likes a bitch, wherever they come from. Don't apologise - you have absolutely nothing to apologise for.

ENormaSnob · 10/08/2013 17:07

I would apologise when hell freezes over.

YoniRanger · 10/08/2013 17:07

I couldn't help but do an evil cackle when I thought of how hard you will have to try not to look smug when her PFB is here Grin

Pregnancy makes you an expert, having a child makes a mockery of everything you thought you knew Grin

microserf · 10/08/2013 17:08

I really wouldn't apologise. She was very rude to say those things and I would likely have told her to fuck off, so I think you were quite restrained in the circumstances.

I am not English myself, but I have been known to tell people who make these sorts of comments if it is so much better where you come from, by all means please return there!

I think you ight need another call with your brother as otherwise this story will always be the time you were horrid to his pregnant girlfriend when in fact, it is the girlfriend who should ( and did) apologise.

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:08

I am the hot head of the family. I don't seem to have a diplomatic bone in my body. If someone pisses me off I say so. I also don't have an issue with confrontation, so I don't shy away from fighting my corner.

I think that my family are just rolling their eyes and think there goes PMDD again.

Due to this my whole family think that the onus is on me to apologise again.

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Pascha · 10/08/2013 17:08

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

Say to him you have apologised enough, as has she. Time to move on now and if either he or his partner can't get over it thats their lookout not yours. She's welcome to call and chat anytime about anything etc etc...

Then shrug your shoulders and do something else.

fancyanother · 10/08/2013 17:08

I think you may have done her a favour pointing out her rudeness- she will end up incredibly isolated amongst people with children her own age if she harps on all the time about how terrible English parents are and how it is all sooo much better in Spain! However, as others have said, I expect what will happen is that she will get a massive reality check!

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 10/08/2013 17:09

Tell her to carry on looking!

Honestly, don't let her twist this round to you. Make her remember that she started spouting judgemental shit and she can't do that.

ShedWood · 10/08/2013 17:09

I would phone her and apologise by saying "I'm sorry, I'd forgotten how everyone is the perfect parent until they actually have children."

Tell her that she's right, the best way for her to raise her children is her way and be prepared for her shamefaced apology in a few years time!

Eyesunderarock · 10/08/2013 17:09

Oh my lovely, wait 6 months.
It will be worth it.
Then you can decide exactly how you want to play it; forgiving and magnanimous, cold and aloof with a raised eyebrow, every sentence beginning with 'But I thought you said...' sympathy and tissues.

Try and be generous when reality bites her in the bum. And the nipples. And the sleep. Grin
I was the first sibling to have children in my family, and oh the advice and the 'help' I got, the suggestions and little comments and article references.
Then they had children.

Wait. Grin

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DoJo · 10/08/2013 17:11

I don't think you should have felt obliged to accept her apology immediately - she had been making rude comments all day and you were very restrained to try and ignore them. Being able to go from furious and upset to serenely forgiving is difficult, especially when someone with no experience is attacking you on something a close to home as parenting. I wouldn't apologise to her, although I might be tempted to call and say that you are concerned that her lack of filter between her judgemental attitude and her mouth might get her lamped by someone less tolerant than you.

RobotHamster · 10/08/2013 17:11

YANBU. She is.

Fine if she wants to parent like its still the 50s. Not fine for judging others who do differently.

Nice that she's got all the answers - that won't last much longer :)

PMDD · 10/08/2013 17:12

I did say to her "I'm doing you a favour sunshine... you only have Spanish friends in London and none in XXXX. When you are stuck at home in XXXX with a new born baby, if you keep spouting that crap, you will continue to have no friends in XXX. No other English mother will accept those kinds of comments".

Seriously, she mentioned "lazy English mothers" 2 or 3 times that evening.

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mrspaddy · 10/08/2013 17:13

I think a line under the sand is very, very fair.
She is rude and abrupt. A bit too confident ?

If you apologise now - she won't have learnt anything. I think it has nothing to do with the fact she is Spanish - it is common decency to not criticise and make bitchy comments.

There are certain things I am sure of (well.. will probably not last in the real world) of what I want for my baby and I know they are different to others but I would keep my mouth shut if I saw people doing them.

amiwickedwitch · 10/08/2013 17:14

No I don't think you need to apologise either. You have not done anything wrong. Think it would be a good idea to meet up and chat about it to clear the air but she is coming across as quite annoying.

mrspaddy · 10/08/2013 17:14

oh sorry 'lazy English mothers' .. now that is a different story. Not nice at all.

h0lym0ly · 10/08/2013 17:14

YADNBU. draw the line in the sand as you suggest and no more. PMT or not, to put up with constant judgements throughout the day as you did can't have been easy.

TwoAndTwoEqualsChaos · 10/08/2013 17:14

Let it be: I don't think there's any need for another apology and I think your Brother is asking for trouble geting involved when the situation had been sorted.

diddl · 10/08/2013 17:15

No apology needed imo.

And I'm not a hugger.

I probably would have slapped her or jumped away shouting "don't touch me!"BlushGrin

Is your brother going to have any say in bringing up his half English child in England??