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Family row - I know I am slightly unreasonable, but by how much?

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PMDD · 10/08/2013 16:49

We have had a big family row and I genuinely don't know how unreasonable I am. I know I am slightly at fault. My view is that with all rows there is not really a black and white, just shades of grey. I just want to know how far in the dark grey I fall!

My brother's girlfriend is 6 months pregnant and from another country to England (I am English), but they live in England. I have 3 children. We recently spent a week away together and brother's girlfriend was regularly pointing out all the things she wouldn't do when her baby was born (her first child).

For example, on my youngest child's birthday I made a 'party tea' of Jaffa cakes, party rings, crisps, ham sandwiches, cheese sandwiches, birthday cake etc. She had none and as I was scraping the heart shaped Barbie plates into the bin she commented that she will never fill her child with fatty or sugary foods. I said nothing after the pointed comment.

Another time, my 2 oldest children were playing on the Wii as my DH and I packed the car up for the beach. However, once packed we had to shoe horn them off the Wii to get into the car. Again, my brother's girlfriend said that it was lazy English mothers that plonked their children in front of the gamestations rather than doing things with them. I said nothing.

Every day my children (age 9, 7 and 5) went to bed on holiday at 8.30ish. They normally go to bed at 7.30ish on a school day. However, no matter what time I put them to bed they are always up at 6.30 at the latest. My brother's girlfriend every morning said that it was strange how the English put their children to bed early. Again, I said nothing.

However, the regular comments were beginning to grate as I took them personally. I was hormonal - serious PMT and obviously at 6 months pregnant, so was she.

Towards the end of the week we went out and she was becoming animated at how the English had strange ways of 'your turn' and 'my turn' in changing nappies and getting up in the night etc. She said that it was wrong and it was for the mother to do 100%. I said that when you have 3 children it was very different and you get very tired and you need to share the load etc.

To which my brother's girlfriend said that if you couldn't cope with 3 children you shouldn't have had them. She followed with the fact her mother had 4 children and never had help from their father who worked hard etc.

I was really upset and cried. I then forcefully told her off and said she was very rude and offensive. She immediately apologised and said she didn't want to upset me. I responded with the fact she had upset me and was very rude.

I didn't really accept her apologies that evening, but the next morning I apologised for not having accepted her apology earlier.

This was a week ago and we are now all back in our respective homes.

My brother phoned me today to ask if I would call his girlfriend as she was still smarting that I called her rude. As I didn't want to start the argument all over again I said to him that I would call her and said that we both said things and I would like to draw a line in the sand.

However, he thinks this won't be enough and I need to apologise for saying everything I said. I really don't want to do this, as she really was very rude.

She will be bringing her child up in England but wants to raise him the way her country would raise a child. She really has big issues with the way the English raise their children. Which is where all this started.

Just tell me what you think. How far in the wrong am I?

OP posts:
StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 10/08/2013 18:14

draw a line and ignore now, hopefully she will have a happy life in stepford! good luck to her... just cite cultural differences and forget it, not worth worrying about now. tbh, she, like the rest of us who had ideals of parenthood, will find the reality not so simple and will wish she had kept you onboard. forget it and offer support when she needs it cos she certainly will. Can't be easy being away from home and family in her situation

Curleyhazel · 10/08/2013 18:16

I think lots of first time mums-to-be are judgemental about how others raise their kids as they think they will do it soooooo much better (I was like that Blush. However most people keep their judgy thoughts to themselves or share them with their dps (or on MN?) I also know for a fact that lots of foreigners (who live in London) bitch about how the English do this, that and the other, and how things are sooo much better 'back home'. It's quite ridiculous and reflects a 'just passing through' mindset, so I wouldn't be surprised if your dh's partner would end up leaving the UK.

Maybe you weren't very friendly to her after listening to her silly comments but i don't blame you. I think you have nothing to apologise for. If you want to have a decent relationship with your future sil I would call her and explain to her again how judging other people's parenting is not polite but that you understand that she isin a challenging situation herself what with her being away from home etc. you could just try and be nice to her but make her understand that she should keep her judgy opinions to herself.

Also, I think she should have called you herself if she wanted to clear the air rather then sending a message through your db. She sounds like trouble tbh.

MikeOxard · 10/08/2013 18:18

She was really rude and you told her so. YWNBU. Tell your brother she needs to apologise to you or just let it go, but you won't be grovelling to her for what was her own fault in the first place.

ChippingInHopHopHop · 10/08/2013 18:18

You are not even in the pale grey.

She is in the black.

Does that make it clear enough?

She was repeatedly, incredibly rude. Yes she is Spanish and all the Spanish people I have known (quite a few as I lived there for a while) are a lot more blunt/straight forward than us Brits, however none of them constantly critiscise the way she was doing - they all had the ability to self-censor at least 90% of the time.

It was much easier for your sister and BIL to ignore as it wasn't aimed at them anywhere near as much as it was aimed at you - in the same way it was relatively easy for you to ignore the comments about dummies etc

Did your brother hear many of her comments?

Poor her my arse - she's an adult and only from Spain, not fecking mars... I'm sure she knew what your brother was like before she got pregnant to him and if not, it still doesn't make it your problem.

JustinBsMum · 10/08/2013 18:26

JustinB if you were outwardly judgemental to a parent whos children were watching a video you were being rude

No, I didn't actually say that, just thought it.

The average birth rate for Spain is less than our 2.4. There must be a reason for that

formicadinosaur · 10/08/2013 18:29

She obviously is rude. She didn't agree with your parenting, but she could have kept quiet or been more tactful. As a guest in your home she should have not picked fault with you constantly.

Ring and listen to what she has to say. Let her do the talking initially but explain (without getting into a discussion about parenting) that you felt she was rude and you felt hurt. You have already apologised and talk about moving forwards relationship wise. Suggest to agree to not agree on parenting methods.

garlicagain · 10/08/2013 18:29

Wow, Chipping Shock Should we just tell all the women posting in Relationships they made their beds, must lie in them, etc?

Spanish SIL was uncommonly rude. She was, by the sound of it, playing up to the husband who's isolated her from her support network, stipulated that she will be a Stepford wife and is now trying to control his sister's relationship with her. I bet he's told her she was right to say all those things, as she will be the right kind of mother or else, unlike his sister!

garlicagain · 10/08/2013 18:33

Anyone else want to bet that wife no 3 will be a mail order type bride?!?!

Mumoftwo, I'm sure I shouldn't, but guffawed out loud at that!

You just can't get the staff wives in Europe these days ...

formicadinosaur · 10/08/2013 18:33

I do think that is a bit if a crap birthday tea actually but it would be daft mention it.

Cheeseatmidnight · 10/08/2013 18:35

She is in pre child, pre sleepless nights, pre grabbing 5 minutes to yourself if you're lucky la la land! You were not wrong! I would have snapped earlier than that!

twilight3 · 10/08/2013 19:04

hmmm...

see, my English SIL is married to a Spanish, they've been living in Spain for about a decade now and al I hear all the time is about what horrible parents the Spanish are and how they do everything wrong. All the way from piercing their babies' ears to bedtimes, to mealtimes, to education, to discipline, to playing and EVERYTHING. Obviously being English and all she's a perfect parent.
I'm not even Spanish, but her attitude annoys me so so much. I find it arrogant, xenophobic and downright rude. If I was Spanish and told me in my face time and time again how terribly the Spanish bring up their children I would be personally offended.
I don't think you should apologise, although I do think that your not accepting her apology and shunting her away was a tad childish. It's very difficult to judge the situation as you're describing the story the way you perceived it, while members of your family think otherwise.

Let it boil over. I feel for her tbh, not only she doesn't know what she's in for when the baby arrives, but she's having her first baby in a country with a very different culture to the one she grew up in, to the one she probably assumed she'd be bringing up her own children. It was not necessarily out of choice (usually you don't chose who you fall in love with), but she's in the situation now and she will need support.

DOn't apologise, I don't see why you should, and let it get forgotten, it will. And humor her, she's probably upset over her personal situation. Your db's family is all the family she has around....

Buswanker · 10/08/2013 19:12

Are you sure she is from Spain? I think she is from IAmASillyCowLand.

Echocave · 10/08/2013 19:16

OP I agree with almost everyone else that you don't need to do any more apologising.
To be honest, I'd give her a wide berth after the baby's born to let her sort stuff out. She sounds insecure and given what you've told us about your brother, she's got good reason to be. She was rude but it sounds like she's in for a hell of a shock and a good proportion of that sounds like it will be down to your (not great sounding I'm afraid) brother.

schmee · 10/08/2013 19:16

OP, I think your decision to empathise with her being upset, because you were also upset, is a very neat way of getting round the problem.

I don't think you are in the wrong, and you shouldn't say you are.

BadSpeakingSkills · 10/08/2013 19:20

What Worra said.

Tell her to fuck off. She sounds bloody horrible. If the English are so bad, she can bugger off back to Spain and raise her child there. Angry

twilight3 · 10/08/2013 19:23

If the English are so bad, she can bugger off back to Spain and raise her child there.

she would probably love to, it's not always that simple though, is it? According to OP though she probably will in the end...

fedupofpoo · 10/08/2013 19:27

I am not english and live in the uk.I don't agree with everything they do in this country reg. Raising children,so I just do what I think is best.it was very rude the way she pointed things out to u,if she doesn't agree she can shut up and do what she likes when she has the baby.

twilight3 · 10/08/2013 19:31

OP, are you aware of her ever been criticised by members of your family for the way she does things due to being Spanish? -or even worse, simply due to not being English?-.
Such comments could easily make a hormonal pregnant woman move into defense mode by offending.

Poppy4453 · 10/08/2013 19:32

Do not apologise!

She's mental.

NapaCab · 10/08/2013 19:39

That's so funny she's Spanish! So many Spanish women I've known /been friends with have been like this, just so dogmatic and black-and-white. They seem to think there is the Spanish way to do things and then the wrong way to do things. It's funny if it's not aimed at you personally but the personal comments she made about sweets etc. were definitely rude so YANBU at all to be offended.

A Spanish friend I had here was like this to me about my baby and it used to wind me up to 90 listening to her, telling me what sling to use, what DS should eat, wear, comments about bottle feeding etc. Drove me crackers!

raisah · 10/08/2013 19:40

Silly woman, why is she with an English man if she doesn't like the English way of doing things. Also, why would she the think that you wouldn't be upset about the negative comnents she made about your childrearing practices. If she is going to live in England & be a part of your family then she needs to be less judgemental & learn some manners.

JohnnyFontaneCannaeSing · 10/08/2013 19:41

You are not in the wrong. Did you point out to your brother how much you had bitten your tongue throughout the holiday as it was. Further more just wait till she has baby grab the popcorn and pull up a seat I guarantee you'll get your own back one day. X

digerd · 10/08/2013 19:45

When my parents first went to spain in the 60s, they were enthralled how the children were outside with their parents in the cool of the evening, they thought it was lovely. However, the whole family had an afternoon siesta as too hot to be outside and not all families had airconditioning. Your homeland climate determines your way of living.

The UK climate is different and people don't need siestas - except me who is old and tired now and need an afternoon kipGrin

Littleen · 10/08/2013 22:14

It can be insanely hard to learn how things are done in a different culture, and if she doesn't like it then that is up to her. I do not wish to bring up my children in a typical english way, which is why I moved away again. Doesn't mean that I do not think english parents do their best or do their job, but I am sure when mentioning it in discussions, it will come across as rude. However she did seem to be nitpicking alot about it, which is rather rude! People raise their children different - get over it (for her I mean). Don't think apology is necessary - give it some time and it'll be forgotten

japonicabumsplatt · 10/08/2013 23:15

It is my hard learned experience that Spanish women in particular have no edit button available between brain and gob.
Following the birth of my first dd1 (now 20) we went ot visit the PILs. aunty of ex took one look at me then called her daughter, Marie Carmen Del Mar (seriously)
Pointed at me and said..."Look how fat she is."
Pointed at her daughter "Look how beautiful she is, and two babies. Aren't you really fat though? Does it worry you"

This was only one highlight in my 5 years there. They are unbelivably blunt, see and say it. No matter what you say, how you respond, doesn't matter. But the most important thing is being right and not losing face. This is what is eating her right now. Being told she is wrong and rude. Not going to sit easy with that one my lovely and she will break your heart till she gets the answer she wants.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GIVE IT TO HER.
And do not belive she is going to go with all that guff she is on about. not a bit of it but never expect her to admit. she will simply deny she ever said it.