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Aibu to have bad vibes and avoid unsupervised, 5 year old neighbour

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jessieagain · 03/08/2013 08:56

I am wondering if I'm being unreasonable about this and what you would do. We have recently moved into a new flat. Next to our flat is a playground.

I take my 2 year old there a couple of times a week.

I doesnt get used much as there is a big and much better playground in a park close by. Occasionally there are 1-2 children there with their parents, sometimes a couple of 4-10 years olds together or an older child 9+ by themself. My son is quite interested in playing with other people and usually runs up to them so we end up having a chat.

Twice however there has been a young girl about 5 who has been by herself, she has a bike with her that makes my son pretty excited about so he runs over to her.

The first time she was quite bossy to him about not touching her bike and was shouting no at him, so I distracted him and got him away to play on the swings. She followed us over and kept trying to talk to him and me, I tried to discourage her hanging around us by not really answering her questions andby talking to ds but she kept in trying to talk to us. I decided to leave the playground and take ds to the park so we could get away from her and she suddenly started whining and begging to come too. I said she couldn't as she needed her own parent to take her and she started shouting an crying saying that she wanted to come and it wasn't fair etc. I said goodbye, picked up ds and walked away quickly.

Yesterday we met her again at the playground and it started similarly with her saying ds couldn't touch her bike so I told ds we needed to go back to our flat (fortunately he had had enough of a play so didnt mind). I picked him up and started walking away. She started running towards us with her bike, shouting for us to not go and then she fell over on top of her bike and started crying as well. I was about 6 metres away from her by then, so called out that she was ok and should go home to her parents and kept walking away.

I was very uncomfortable about this whole situation, I think she is far too young to be by herself and her behaviour is too erratic and hysterical so I don't want her near me or ds. I get a really bad vibe around her and don't want to be around her again, but I feel bad about this as she is only a little girl. Aibu about this?

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thornrose · 04/08/2013 09:51

Jessie - I'm so glad you did something, that clearly wasn't easy for you. I'm truly sorry it has made you feel so upset.

Wannabestepfordwife · 04/08/2013 09:54

Op I can understand your anxiety and reluctance to get involved but she sounds like a vulnerable child in need of help.

Next time you see her just ring the police non emergency and explain the situation and see if a CPO can go check on her.

mrsruffallo · 04/08/2013 11:02

Stinky Elf Cheese- I have experienced something very similar to what you describe. I even had one of the parents sending their child round everyday after school and at weekends and then asking to exchange phone numbers with me so that I could text them and tell them when we were bringing the child home!

candycoatedwaterdrops · 04/08/2013 11:12

Jessie I don't want to offend you but it's quite clear from what you've said that you're holding on to feelings from your past and they are negatively affecting you. It might be wise to seek some support because your feelings are irrational. AIBU can be a nest of vipers at times Wink but there are other boards on here where lovely people can offer you support.

You did the right thing btw, you really did! Thanks

mumat39 · 04/08/2013 15:51

Thankyou for making the call OP. Thanks

Sparklymommy · 04/08/2013 16:57

Jessie please try to let go of the bad feelings you are feeling. You have done your best and that is all that matters. If you see the child on her own again then maybe ring 101 and log it.

I agree that this post has been unpleasant in several ways and bullying towards the op. the young child may or may not be being neglected but the op has definitely been abused by some of the comments made about her. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselfs!

MissStrawberry · 04/08/2013 17:28

Now you have made the call you have nothing to feel guilty about but it would be a good idea to seek help as tbh your feelings are not the ones of people who have no issues.

garlicagain · 04/08/2013 19:36

I'm still dubious about whether to post this, jessie, but what the hell - it's in AIBU and will fade away before long. Last night I had a new dream, in which I had a new-born baby. It wasn't a 'proper' baby, but it was for the dream's purposes. I dreamt about struggling to take care of it (it was a boy called Dave Grin) and fighting others, who all seemed to be trying to interfere.

I'm telling you about this because I have no doubt it was prompted by reading your thread. As comprehensively 'therapied' (read self-aware) as I am, I know it was really about taking care of my inner child and feeling insecure in my capacity to do so. It's a dream I've been needing to have for a long time, and I want to thank you, Jessie, for the important contribution you've unwittingly made to my recovery Thanks

Plus, I'd also like to assure you that it is possible to repair damages done to us in the past, by adults who should have known better but didn't. It's a long and sometimes tricky project, but immensely worthwhile. It makes us more caring as well as more confident. You've taken a small, significant step on that road this weekend. I salute you! When you're ready to continue, there's lots of wise support on Mumsnet. Wishing you well.

AmGrowingAnAwesomeTree · 05/08/2013 00:07

This is both a very sad and a very vile thread.

Sad for the child; sad for OP who does appear (& I say this with no judgement, simply observation) to have had a traumatic upbringing herself and is both therefore shaped by that herself, and also in the way she wants to protect HER child stemming from those experiences.

I hardly post on any MN threads ATM but could not read and run.

To all of those who posted about "where is the warmth?" "where is the humanity" "you are heartless/selfish/crue/have you no heart?l" etc etc etc - then I would say please look in the mirror. As not one of those posts spoke of any of the aforementioned qualities themselves.

And this was in reply to a woman who manifestly DID give a shit - or else wouldn't have posted here to 'check'? To check, not to be abused and bullied herself.

My own belief is it takes a village to raise a child, but I can say that with - in total - 40 'parenting' years under my belt. I am astounded that Jessie had the courage to repeatedly reply - and so obviously (in fact, agonisingly candidly TBH) to anyone with any degree of EI, or experience of being an Adult Survivor of any kind of neglect or abuse, even whilst she was struggling.

Jessie - I really AM glad you called Crimestoppers but please please try and summon up that same courage - which really IS obviously hard for you in this situation - to call either SS or NSPCC (who will get in touch with local SS) tomorrow. Switch your phone via settings to block your number so you have that 'safe' bit round you, but you will also then have done ALL you can to help this child in the event she may be at risk.

Please? Can you just do that last bit, and then you can rest in peace KNOWING that IF there is risk, you have alerted the appropriate people.

pajamapants1 · 05/08/2013 00:25

Only seen a few posts but how many children have gone missing in this situation? April been the most recent I think, she was 5, playing out alone. How would you feel if you walked awayand found out she'd been kidnapped? I would inform ss. There's a form you can fill in online. You can even remain anonymous....

BeyonceCastle · 05/08/2013 01:02

Evening (or is it morning?!!) Jessie

Flowers and Brew for you, sounds like you need both

I posted yesterday that the whole situation sounded tricky as I could see all sides of it and Spero, a poster who I admire btw, pointed out that yes, whilst it is tricky it musn't mean you shouldn't call.

Here's the thing. I don't think I am a great parent. I am doing my best.
I have a couple of golden rules in life which are:
Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to and
Don't shit where you eat

I was thinking why I would have been loathe to ring SS and thinking about it, I guess because I would hate if someone did that to me, because my kids are always shrieking for example. I would hate the involvement of outside agencies and the accusations that I am crap.

And so I don't like the idea of doing that to someone else who, like me, may well be doing their best.

But bottom line - I might not be the best mum in the world but nor have I ever left a five year old alone on a park. Nor would you. Nor will we.

So please be gentle with yourself. Please don't feel bad.

I have been in situations where I have called for police/ambulance. Once when there was a man lying on the road with blood on his head at night, I stayed with him then. Also I rang and reported a group of kids aggressively chasing a kid which I saw from a bus once, I will probably get flamed for not getting off the bus and stopping this myself now. I have also phoned police in domestic violence situations.

You should not need to defend yourself like you do here as the above situations did prompt immediate action and you swung into action. A child on her own in broad daylight on the swings may be completely benign and had she been older, not necessarily a cause for concern (which incidentally is a misnomer as teenagers can and are equally vulnerable).

I had a rough adolescence: not as bad as some but not golden either.
Have taught teens who liked detentions as it meant they could be with me rather than going home Sad: alarm bells. Luckily I was able to pass many of those cases upwards to Child Protection colleagues.

At six I was a latch-key kid with a slightly older sibling - daresay many here would have wanted SS involved then too. Perhaps that is also why this thread has resounded with me somewhat.

So fwiw I think ringing SS on account of a child being alone on the swings is a kneejerk reaction and as noted by others - is not an immediate reaction when a group of kids are playing alone on the street for example. But
what makes this different is by your account your own intuitions sense all is not well. Plus no other neighbours' kids to your knowledge are playing alongside this girl.

You posted perhaps as you felt guilty for her falling off her bike in her haste to catch up with you. This did not make you responsible for her accident. But you should have checked she was okay rather than assuming it - this you know. If there ever is a similar situation you can check before explaining he/she does not go off with strangers and ascertain what their parent has said. That can then lead you onto ringing SS if the child's reply infers the parent has effectively abandoned her.

I, for one, do not see you as a terrible person. You have now rung Crimestoppers, that is a good thing. Sod whether they thought you were stirring, you did something.

I don't think you need to move house. It is unlikely that if Crimestoppers do drop by the playground or take any action at all that your name will come into it.

See my second rule and the fact that I am a coward - nonetheless if I were to see the little girl is frequently at the playground unattended and by the fact you have already seen her twice there alone, it could well be a daily occurence in the holidays then you do not need to feel guilty picking up the phone to SS. Do it anonymously. You don't need to leave your name nor do you have to move house because of recriminations from neighbours.
Nor should you feel guilty.
Because you wouldn't leave your son there. And nor would I.

jessieagain · 05/08/2013 08:17

Thank you for the supportive posts.

I am feeling better about it and didnt know I could report to nspcc anonymously so I will do that time when I get a chance.

I would still like to move and start again, dp is not keen but we will see how it goes, once school goes back there would be less chance of seeing her especially during school time so this might make a difference. I am not keen on seeing her again at all as I don't want to have to take on responsibility for her and I know I would feel obligated to, whether I should or not is irrelevant.

I feel a great degree of panic thinking about it and all the worst case scenarios and I don't want to be involved, and I do have the right to make a choice with this, whether it makes me heartless or not.

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cjel · 05/08/2013 08:35

Morning Jessie( and to my lovely AM, good to see you out and about)

I am still concerned that you have made no mention of deciding to speak to counsellor and getting help with the reasons why this little girl frightens you so much?xx

iamadoozermum · 05/08/2013 09:32

I can see where you are coming from in some senses Jessie. I have Social Anxiety and for those that don't they can't understand how stressful social interaction (even with children) can be. I have 4 DC and I am now better at talking to other children but it doesn't come naturally to me and I'm still not so good at talking to children who are older than mine. So when my eldest was three, I would have found it tough to speak to a five year old.

A large part of the issue is thinking about how others think of you. My thought process would be: if I took the girl home, the parents might think that I was criticising their parenting, if they think that, they will then think critically of me and might make that apparent. Other people then thinking critically of me have a devastating impact on me. In fact I can feel my heartbeat speeding up and my breathing getting quicker just typing this. My over-riding instinct in this situation would be to get away as quickly as possible and I totally understand the wanting to move thing.

I once had an incident where DH and I were doing our tyres at the petrol station next to our local supermarket. As we passed the hose across the back of the car, the chap in the queue behind us accused us of bumping his car. We looked - no damage but chap was v. grumpy. After that I was petrified every time we went to the supermarket in case he was there, recognised our car and escalated things, to the extent that I would try to avoid that supermarket. I was so glad when we got a new car and felt able to use the supermarket again.

Last week, I was in a play area and a little girl fell nearly in front of me. I knew her mum was nearby but she didn't come over immediately. I did wonder whether to go and talk to her but I was worried that her mum would be annoyed with me because she woukd think I was criticising her ability to get to her chikd quickly enough and I can't handle that.

Like Jessie, I wouldn't expect anyone to help out if any of my DC were lost, I really wouldn't. I would be grateful if they did (though I would again be worried that they were thinking critically about me). I can't even call out at bingo if I've won for heaven's sake and as for ringing the bell to get the bus to stop, well!

Sorry for the essay but wanted to let people know that for some of us, the things that seem easy or natural to others are actually incredibly difficult.

hollyisalovelyname · 05/08/2013 09:35

Bad things happen because good people do nothing.
That poor wee girl. She fell off her bike and you hurried away.

I would be so concerned for this little girl who wanted to go off with strangers. I would call the police and let them know of your concerns.
It breaks my heart to see the way some parents treat their children.

curlew · 05/08/2013 09:36

"Only seen a few posts but how many children have gone missing in this situation?"

A vanishingly small number. Don't muddy the waters.

jessieagain · 05/08/2013 09:39

Hi cjel yes I have considered it but how on earth do you go about getting counselling? And what would I say? I really don't think I would be able to talk to someone about myself for any length of time. And I have no idea what people talk about in counselling. And I would worry about the trustworthiness of he counsellor and worry they would suggest anti depressants.

It does concern me that people seem to think I am not 100% right of mind though, and I wouldn't want my ds affected negativelt by me. But I'm not sure if how to go about sorting this out as I'm not ill.

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TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 09:41

Jessie, counselling is an alternative to ADs often and the counsellor will help you express yourself, you don't need to do all the work.

jessieagain · 05/08/2013 09:42

YES iamadoozer that is exactly what I felt! And your other scenarios are also so familiar to me, thank you for sharing, that means a lot to me!

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jessieagain · 05/08/2013 09:44

I guess I have a real fear of speaking to a counsellor and what might come of it, a bit like how iamadoozer wrote.

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birdmomma · 05/08/2013 09:52

Jessie - I have admired how you have kept coming back and responding to the challenging posts on here. I hope I won't cause offence to you if I suggest that your manner of posting, and the way you see the world suggests to me that you might have undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome. It might be worth looking into this (there are simple diagnostic tests on line for starters). I am sorry if I have got this wrong, but you might find it useful to know this if it is the case. I don't think you are cold or heartless, but you certainly do have slightly unusual responses in this situation.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 10:09

You can look up coubsellors by googling BPAC, their association.

cjel · 05/08/2013 10:47

The though of counselling was so scary for me that I put it off for years and when I used to go the reception was full of sweaty people so I know I wasn't alone!!!
But although some of us used to have clearly been crying when we left we always felt better!!
The counsellor is working to a code of practice which they must keep confidences, the only two exceptions being terrorism or a suicide which may involve harming others.!!
The counsellor will enable you to talk - they may ask what is on your mind etc or even what brought you there. It will be very gentle, and you won't be pushed, you will move at your own pace and if there are times of silence the counsellor can cope with that as well!! Not sure but I thought association was BAPC.?
I would recommend a person centred counsellor for you.

In my area there are charities which don't turn clients away on basis of cost. You may get a referral through a dr. but probably limited to 6 sessions.

As you may have noticed I am a big fan!! It was the best thing I ever did!!!

CalvinHobbesMum · 05/08/2013 10:52

jessie if you're worried about being able to trust a counsellor, what about reading some books, or looking at some online websites?

Something on CBT may be particularly helpful, also the Mental Health Foundation has some great (free) podcasts.

BuildMeUpButtercup · 05/08/2013 10:54

*She was most definitely no more than 6. I know she lives there as she pointed out her flat.

Would you seriously suggest I call ss and say what? The playground is right next to the flats so sort of like a communal garden, but I still wouldn't let a 5 year old out alone.*

I haven't read all the replies yet but this bit sticks out. If you know she lives there as she's pointed out her flat, when she does something like fall off her bike I'd probably take her back to her flat to tell her mum she'd fallen and hurt herself.
Also, if she's asking to go off with random strangers (ie, you!) then she most definitely should NOT be allowed out by herself! (Not that I'd let them out anyway by themselves at that age)