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Grandparents

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newbiemum13 · 26/07/2013 10:56

I am a new mummy. Whilst pregnant my fiancés mother introduced him to her colleague as 'this is my son', then pointed at my bump and said 'this is my grandson' and failed to even acknowledge my existence, I was really upset but left it. They live about 45 minutes away and we see them about 4-5 times per year but probably get a monthly invite to see them.

Baby was born a bit early and was unwell and spent a few days in NICU. After I gave birth his parents visited the next day, and then a few days later. We went home when baby was 4 days old. We had a text request to see baby again that weekend, we said no as we wanted time alone, baby is now 3 weeks old and they have seen him twice and we have received a further 3 text requests to see him. I was really upset because it's like they think they have a right or claim over my child, there have been more requests to see him in the last 3 weeks then we see them in a year. It really panics me. I don't want to start with any set routine, or any obligations etc. So, last night I was upset, my mum got involved, I explained how I was still hurt by lack of introduction, how it annoys me we barely see them and now there is constant request to see us, then I went on to say how I don't want to keep passing my baby around to people just because others think I 'should'. I also went onto say how I am worried about registering the baby, because once dad is on the birth certificate (nothing against baby's dad) that then the baby is officially linked to the other family. My mum told me I was abnormal and obviously depressed, I'm not at all. But I have lived in a very controlling environment, where I have constantly been told what I 'should' do, lived with a mother whose mood swings are extreme, been threatened to be kicked out more times then I can remember, including when I first started dating baby's dad. I have never moved out even though I am in my late 20's. I have lived in a very unpredictable environment for years with very controlling behaviour.

Then there is my family, we are living with my mum at the minute. They already have grandchildren who live away who they have seen every few weeks since birth, but I have seen years of arguments and my sibling being told what is right or wrong in terms of the children etc.

I have passed this baby to every visitor when really I don't want to. Last week my cousin came to visit. My aunt, uncle and cousin often just turn up without letting us know. Something again I find hard. I have just had a baby but it isn't my house, so anyone can just turn up and I just have to deal with it. I was sitting on the opposite sofa with the baby, my mum asked my cousin to sit next to me so she could see the baby, she said 'I can see It from here', my mum then asked me to move next to my cousin so she could take a photo, my cousin refused to have a photo taken. My cousin, aunt, uncle and parents went outside. My mum then told my cousin was upset. I spoke to my cousin and she said it was because her sister now wasn't letting her see her niece that weekend. I didn't think anything else of it. The next day I got up and my mum was glaring at me, being moody, off it etc. I asked what was wrong. I was told how my cousin was upset because I hadn't let her hold the baby. I said she wouldn't even sit next to us. My mum said that they could all tell by my face that I didn't want her to hold the baby. This resulted in me saying not to tell me what I was thinking.

My mum then went on to say that I 'should' have walked into the room and just handed over the baby to my cousin straight way. That resulted in me saying not to tell me what I should be doing with my own child etc. My mums mood over this carried on for several days, including text messages telling me to leave home etc.

My mum is extremely controlling, always telling people what they 'should' do. I found the fact that she was shouting at me, and sobbing her hear out because my cousin didn't hold the baby quite frightening and made me feel even more protective over him.

It worries me that now the baby is born his family are now expecting to see us more and continually asking to see us. Last night I ended up in tears. I don't want to have any set routine, obligations, expectations in terms of grandparents seeing the baby. I find it upsetting that we only saw the a handful of times before the baby was born and now they will push for that to increase.

I find it hard at home because I have spent years listening to my mum going on about the other grandchildren and seeing what state of upset she gets in about them, it is extreme, the awful texts that get sent about them and that's when they live over an hour away. Their family are going through a divorce and now my mum is going on about grandparents rights, and going to court to get access. The whole thing makes me panic about my child and feel very protective.

There have been so many visitors and I have handed him over to every one. Then there are fiancés parents now constantly requesting to see us. I just want us to be left alone. My mum does a lot of child care for her other grandchildren, I don't want to get into this, I think it makes boundaries very difficult.

I just don't know what to do really.

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newbiemum13 · 26/07/2013 13:42

He doesn't really want to see them that much more. I think in terms of his family I want to stop things before they even start, then I know that's all sorted whilst we work in everything else. I've seen so much stress surrounding my nephews with the other grandparents, eg them seeing them every few weeks, having them to stay, doing childcare etc, to the point where the grandparents are extremely controlling. I want to avoid that right from the start with this baby. Grandparents never used for child care etc.

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curlew · 26/07/2013 13:44

Of course they want to see the baby!! And three text messages asking to see him in 3 weeks is hardly bombarding!

Can you take yourself off to your room in your mother's house and refuse to see anyone? Or is that too difficult?

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 26/07/2013 13:45

There is a world of difference between using grandparents for childcare and seeing them regularly - surely you can see that?

curlew · 26/07/2013 13:46

Do you not want your baby to have a relationship with his grandparents?

newbiemum13 · 26/07/2013 13:49

I do take myself out of the way to breastfeed as I don't feel comfortable doing that in public. I want him to know his grandparents and have time with us all together but I don't want the degree of intensity that I've seen with my parents and their other grandchildren. I don't mind infrequent visits. Me and fiancé have even considered moving away.

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JacqueslePeacock · 26/07/2013 13:51

Oh dear - it sounds like you come from a very controlling, bullying family and may have inadvertently now tied yourself to to another controlling family. I think you are absolutely right that you need your own space to focus on your own little family. I wouldn't have been remotely happy to pass my tiny baby to 30+ other people, and I don't think it can be ideal for him either as he needs the security of his mum, and you both need proper one-on-one bonding time.

I come from a family which sounds very like yours, and is toxic. It took me a long time to realise that, but I'm so glad I did before I had a baby, as I just couldn't have coped with being having them so closey involved with my child. Distance yourselves and make sure you get your own space. In the meantime, I think you should take you and baby off to bed together at every opportunity for lots of rest and bonding. And don't listen to anyone telling you you can give a baby too many cuddles.

curlew · 26/07/2013 13:51

I think wanting "infrequent visits" is unfair. Particularly as you are living with the other grandparents. They have seen their new grandson twice. And have been refused any more visits. Not fair at all.

formicadinosaur · 26/07/2013 13:52

But a sling and start baby wearing. It will allow you time with your baby and you won't have to pass him around.

Move out ASAP. Start making arrangements.

Give the grandparents future dates to meet. One every two or four weeks is fine if you are comfortable. Maybe see how things develop relationship wise. You have quite a tricky relationship with your mum and this could be a good opportunity to develop a more normal relationship. Don't use grandparents for childcare unless you are happy too

JacqueslePeacock · 26/07/2013 13:53

I also wonder a bit if you are judging your DP's parents by the standards of yours. From what you've said here, your family is by far the more intense, controlling one. I would concentrate in distancing yourselves from your own mother first. You never know, DP's family may be a godsend in doing this.

CaptainSweatPants · 26/07/2013 13:54

You haven't said how you're planning to get your own place?

Instead of thinking of your finace working less etc why are t you saving for your own place

You feel obligated to your mum because you live in her house!!

You can't have it all ways

JacqueslePeacock · 26/07/2013 13:54

YY to a good sling. Moby wrap or Close Carrier or something like that would be great - you can have baby all snuggled next to you and unavailable for passing round to all and sundry.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 26/07/2013 13:55

I don't think that you can look at how your mother is with her grandchildren and automatically say that your DP's parents are going to be the same.

It seems massively unfair to deny them contact on that basis alone.

I really think that you need to move out in order to see just how abnormal the situation you are living in is. And then perhaps you will have a clearer head about other things.

JacqueslePeacock · 26/07/2013 13:55

PS you might want to get this moved to Relationships. AIBU is very confrontational and I think you'd get much more understanding support on the Relationships Board.

newbiemum13 · 26/07/2013 13:57

Thanks jacquespeacock you are right! And I am trying to stop it happening in relation to my baby.

Curlew: we are only with the other grab diatribes as housing didn't work out before baby was born. So I am not getting into battles between grandparents of who sees him more etc, he's our child and noone has any rights over him except us. I don't care if other grandparents feel left out. My priority is ensuring our usual visits continue with then and sorting out our housing to get more unseen dance for the other issues. Grab skateboard can just deal with their own issues, I am not taking on that guilt. He is our child, they can see him when we usually would have and that's it. We then get in with our lives. But it all has to stop now.

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ExBrightonBell · 26/07/2013 13:57

I think that the OP might have been unnerved by her fiancé's mother failing to acknowledge her existence (as she mentioned in her post) in the past. Understandably that might explain the reaction to the increase in requests for visits.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 26/07/2013 13:58

Blimey. Hmm

pommedechocolat · 26/07/2013 13:59

Felt the same, you are not depressed based on this fact alone.

Shut the door, dont answer the phone and take back your baby when you want it. I didnt with dd1 and relations with PILS have been strained ever since. With dd2 I did exactly as I wanted, PILS have since quoted that time as very upsetting for them but I remember it fondly and I was the one post partum and establishing feeding. I dont give a fuck :)

Seriously, much better for them to be upset than you at this point as it is much better for the baby that way.

newbiemum13 · 26/07/2013 14:01

Sorry autocorrect went nuts! Grandparents not skateboard!

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oscarwilde · 26/07/2013 14:03

I tend to agree with Jacques. I also think that their level of visits is not excessive but I also think that trying to host your MIL and FIL in your mothers home sounds really, very stressful.

My advice is to try to take control - you don't need to meet with them at your home. You or your fiance can easily explain that its easier to meet in a less busy environment. Fix a date and time that suits you and go to them or meet them somewhere where they can have some cuddles and you can all relax. You might find that by arranging to visit them for a short weekend - eg: one overnight stay, every 2-4 weeks that they will totally back off, just because they are reassured that there is a date in teh diary and it is much easier to have a cuddle when the visit is for a longer period of time.
A baby can be cuddled and coo'd over when it's a good time to do so instead of the horrid situation where time is finite and everyone is passing the poor child around while it gets hungrier and more restless.

Talk to your fiance now. Explain that you wish to have your child cared for by professionals and that while you do want your child to have a relationship with his parents, you want to ensure that there are no expectations by his parents or yours that they will formally care for your DC when you go back to work. A clear message from the start is the way around this. "I've visited nurseries and we've found the one that we want to use. It's lovely, lots of children the DC's age and he/she will have lots of company."

Vis your mum. Make it a priority to move out asap. She sounds like hard work and unlikely to change.

ExBrightonBell · 26/07/2013 14:05

OP, I feel for you that you don't have supporting and unconditionally loving grandparents. The GPs (on both sides) should not be demanding anything or telling you what you "should" be doing. If you ask for time alone they should respect that and wait until you are feeling up to being social with your baby.

However, you might need to start "managing" both sets of GPs. I agree that you should tell your PIL specific dates when you will see them. Meet them out somewhere so you are more in control of the situation. And you really need to get out from under your mum - is there any way you can move in with anyone else?

newbiemum13 · 26/07/2013 14:05

I agree...he's our baby. They hardly saw us before he was born, they can get lost now and stop making me feel pressured into seeing them more. Then I need to sort out getting my own home and life established. I am already thinking about childcare arrangements so grandparents are never used in this way as I think it complicates things and makes them feel like they have more of a say in what happens to our child. Boundaries need to be established. But, how do we point out that vists will not be increasing just because of baby, how do we stop them requesting to see him? How do we reply politely to the requests?

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ExBrightonBell · 26/07/2013 14:08

Just reply to the requests with a date that works for you and leave it at that. Be polite but clear, and if they ask again for another date just say that you unfortunately can't do another date.

Mabelface · 26/07/2013 14:10

Get your own place as soon as you can, then you can have round who you want.

diddl · 26/07/2013 14:10

If ILs are only 45mins away, then once a month does't sound that much to visit to me-infact once a week sounds reasonable!

How is your MIL with you usually?

If the ignoring you & introducing your "bump" was a one off-just overexcitement on her part?

I think that you tell your mum far too much tbh.

Hope you get your own place soon.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 26/07/2013 14:11

How do you stop them requesting to see their grandchild?

I expect that if you just said 'We have no intention of seeing you more often despite the baby', that that would have the desired effect.

I feel quite sorry for you actually that you cannot see that it is your family and not his that are the problem here.