to be pissed off at seeing a pregnant woman smoking yesterday?

[topsi]

Am not sure what goes through some people's minds? WHY??

[EatenByZombies]

If you have a BMI of more than 30 and you are pregnant, you have an increased risk of health problems for both baby and mother.

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Know why you're wrong?
Because you mention BMI. BMI is a trend that's actually not a proper measurement of how overweight someone is. Even the inventor of BMI said that it wasn't an acurate measure. Rugby players who are obviously NOT overweight have BMIs that claim they're morbidly obese because it doesn't allow for things like muscles.

Anyone who mentions BMI as an argument for something is vastly uninformed, and the argument is invalid.

[HeffalumpTheFlump]

Appocolypse - why was that aimed at me? You told made a comment about something I said making out that I have no idea that pregnant women have flaws, wants, feelings etc. I pointed out that this was obviously not true as I am a pregnant woman myself... Why are you now telling me about whether you have smoked or not? bit of a pointless comment to be honest!

[crashdoll]

Eaten I guess there must be lots of female rugby players who are pregnant then.

[KittenCamile]

My DP and I have been ttc our first DC for nearly a year, I quit smoking, caffine, white sugar and booze. DP also quit smoking, all before we started ttc. I hate seeing pregnant women smoking, as someone who would do anything to get pregnant I think its very selfish.

I quit and I smoked 20 a day, somethings are more important

[MomsNetCurtains]

marzipanned It's a fact. NOTHING went wrong; we are all fine. As are most of the people born in the late 70's/early 80's.

My Mum bathed me every 3 days when I was a baby, not every day which seems to be the will of new Mums now; I am NEVER ill as I have a strong immune system. My MIL is a nutritionist and is amazed that I am never sick.

I KNOW why I don't get sick, as does my Mum. I have not been molly coddled and neither has my immune system.

MY Mum smoked, so bugger off with your 'Oh this could happen or that could happen crap'.

Seriously. It's getting old.

All you 'new Mums' sound like eejits to me with your determination that you know better than your own Mothers.

Shame on you for that. The best Mums are our own ones who told you lot of new Mums to pull your heads in.

[MomsNetCurtains]

marzipanned You just brought up cocaine?

Oh do shut up. FGS.

[EatenByZombies]

crashdoll I never said that, it was an example of why BMI doesn't work so don't try and twist it My point was that BMI is a load of bollocks so to base an argument on it is silly. BMI can be used as an indication but it's not set in stone, so to say that ANYONE with a BMI over 30 is prone to blah blah blah is wrong.

[SchroSawMargeryDaw]

Kitten Sorry but just because you would do anything to get pregnant doesn't mean everyone else feels like that.

Why would you give up white sugar and caffeine? Is that not going a bit far?

[EatenByZombies]

To clarify: BMI wasn't even invented by a dietician or medical expert, it was invented by a mathmaticion/statistican. It is not clear where on the BMI scale the threshold for overweight and obese should be set, and the medical establishment has acknowledged major shortcomings of BMI.

Not only athletes are misrepresented, Tom Cruise, with a height of 5'7" and weight of 201 lbs, has a body mass index of 31.5, while the younger Schwarzenegger, at just over six feet tall and about 235 pounds, had a BMI over 31.

below 18.5 = Underweight
18.5 to 24.9 = Ideal
25.0 to 29.9 = Overweight
30.0 and above = Obese

www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/public/heart/obesity/lose_wt/risk.htm#limitations

www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_05_09.html

[MomsNetCurtains]

Utter utter shite being advocated by women who think they are the first women who have given birth.......give me a break!

[WorraLiberty]

Anyone who mentions BMI as an argument for something is vastly uninformed, and the argument is invalid.

Including the NHS EatenByZombies?

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/overweight-pregnant.aspx#close

And by the way, I'm arguing...I'm taking part in a discussion.

[handcream]

Maybe she puts her needs before her unborn child. I am getting more and more surprised about people on MN who start to excuse people's behaviour right up to when they kill their own children as somehow its not their fault and WE as society have let them down by not supporting them.

Smoking is known to be harm to an unborn baby. There is tons of support and it is a known fact. Yet - still people carry on...

[KittenCamile]

SchroSawMargeryDaw I know what your saying but it is how I feel.

I am happy to do anything I can get help us have a DC, white sugar is processed and very bad for you. Its quite common for women to give up caffine to help ttc, its not great for fertility.

[WorraLiberty]

Oh and I should add

IMO bmi is far too generous as a rule

Unless the old 'athlete' argument gets put forward again

[MoominsYonisAreScary]

Agree with worra (again)

Having a bmi over 30 while pregnant increases the risk of complications
Smoking while pregnant increases the risk of complications

You very rarly see a thread berating an over weight pregnant women eating a cake in the street though.

[MummytoKatie]

Eaten Are you sure BMI isn't used as a measurement? It's been filled in on my pregnancy notes. And I'm pretty sure the midwife said "good healthy BMI there" when she calculated it.

[MomsNetCurtains]

Look at it. Just look at it. Just look at all of you/us. ALL PANICKING OR ARGUING AMONGST YOUR/OURSELVES.

The whole bloody MN thing. It is awful. And we are all smart, funny and clued-up women. What is with the bitchiness?

It is shocking. I am shaking my head.

By God, I would love to go back to the 70's or 80's without this one-up-man ship. Women with a common goal arguing amongst themselves - this is what men have wet dreams over.

Sorry if I seem a bit meh, but I have just realised that this is an utterly shit forum as women DO have a common goal - to be respected and to respect each other - but that this forum is SHIT at acknowledging it.

It becomes nasty as we have no other outlet.

But what other forum is there, eh?

I despise the whole petty/crappy arguments that go on here.

And about smoking....dear God....who cares?!

I don't care! The only reason I am on here is because I want to be close to other females who are like me.

I couldn't give a crap about smoking.

THERE. I've said it. Fuck it!

[Solari]

BMI is still used. Despite the negative lashback against its shortcomings (which pretty much every test applied to the population has), it is far more generally accurate than inaccurate when it comes to categorising people into groups with worse/better outcomes.

[Solari]

I found that very cathartic reading momsnetcurtains

[crashdoll]

"it was an example of why BMI doesn't work so don't try and twist it."



I was agreeing with you on one point which is that it doesn't work....for athletes! Don't get your knickers in a twist because I called you on your silly point. As a general rule, BMI gives a guide for the average person.

[flanbase]

smoking is a known health hazard & it affects the smoker & people around them negatively & in pregnancy affects the baby. This is medically known so why people continue to smoke in pregancy or when they are parents I don't know. It's just so selfish to do this.

[MomsNetCurtains]

And breathe......

King and Solari I could hug you both right now. I was just having a rant really; I didn't expect anyone to understand or even know what I was on about!

[WorraLiberty]

MonsNet, dramatic much?!?

This is as discussion forum and we're discussing something.

"By God, I would love to go back to the 70's or 80's without this one-up-man ship. Women with a common goal arguing amongst themselves - this is what men have wet dreams over."

I have no idea what men you're talking about, but most of the men I knew back then would knock one out to a porn magazine.

Not to women stating opposing views

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

Momsnet

how does that all fit with your Klay thread then?