to be pissed off at seeing a pregnant woman smoking yesterday?

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Am not sure what goes through some people's minds? WHY??

No I'm not dramatic Worra. Quite the opposite in RL. But you wouldn't know that as you don't know me.

I'm aware this is a discussion forum, hence why I felt quite open about having a wee rant; I had a moan as it felt as though women were constantly against each other on here and as it turns out I wasn't the only one who felt that way.

Jamie What has my thread on the diabolical naming of a child got to do with anything? Have I attacked someone?

If I have I am unaware of that?

On the plus side, the pair of you have just proved my point about MN and the females that frequent it constantly. I'm looking at you Worra.

Well yes you've attacked someone on the other thread, just for the record....! Did you not realise?

(coming into this a bit off the cuff, fwiw - I don't know what you're all arguing about)

I have proved your point by discussing your post on a discussion forum?

Are you saying that women have to agree with other women just because they both have vaginas? Because that's how it's coming across.

Do you agree with Coleen Rooney's choice of name/spelling? No you don't. In fact if I remember rightly, you stated 'poor kid' at one point and yet you're both women.

As much as I don't agree with the OP pointing the finger of judgement at a pregnant woman she knows nothing about, I actually think this thread has thrown up an interesting debate.

There has been no nastiness/name calling....just discussion and opposing views.

That's why your post came across as dramatic.

MomsNet If you don't care, then don't post. Given your rant, I'm guessing you actually do care.

I never said it wasn't used. I said it's not accurate. Although the athlete argument is overused, it's true. My given example uses actors. Tom Cruise is not and has never been obese during his time on screen so how do you explain that one? BMI uses a fixed formula and does not take different variables into account like muscles and adipose tissue in relation to the rest of someone's body.

To be honest, people can believe what they want, but when the creator himself says it's not accurate and one shouldn't rely on BMI alone then I think we should listen to him

As I also said, BMI is an indicator. Nobody's wrong for saying "people with a BMI of over 30 are more likely to have problems with XYZ during pregnancy" or "people with a BMI of over 30 are often found to have problems with XYZ" or anything else that points to the fact that that category is often faced with certain problems, but it shouldn't be used alone because it's not accurate enough. The fact that the NHS has it on forms doesn't mean it's any more credible. There are, and will always be, people who believe it works. There are, and will always be, government bodies and institutes that use it, and that's fine. But the NHS don't rely on BMI alone to tell someone whether they're obese or not.

BMI is not accurate enough to lean on solely as evidence for obesity which is why I thing the previously mentioned argument is invalid because it's not drawing on proper medical evidence, but a formula thought of by a statistician.

:)

Why I think, rather

I know what you're saying EatenByZombies but to put it bluntly and to leave the BMI out of it...the nation is getting fatter and fatter and many of those people are pregnant. Being fat and pregnant can cause risks to both the baby and the mother.

Being pregnant and smoking also causes risks.

I didn't want to be this blunt

Yes! I have coaxed a blush from Worra ! My day is made!

As an intelligent, slightly overweight fat person, I'd rather people just came out and said "overweight"/"fat" people than base stuff on BMI, because my BMI would put me into the obese category, even though my doctor says I'm not, I'm just a little bigger than average. The word obese gets thrown around a lot these days and it annoys me because obesity means having too much body fat. It is not the same as being overweight, which means weighing too much, because a person may be overweight from extra muscle, bone, or water, as well as from having too much fat. People seem to think the two words are interchangeable.

(I also understood what you were trying to get at :) )

I shall give up trying to be polite...it never did suit me!

Why has Momsnet spelt her name wrong? Are you American, Momsnet?

YANBU to be mad about it, I think it would be hard not to. But there is sweet FA you can do about it so YABU to dwell on it. I once knew a woman who figured because she gave up coffee and booze then she could smoke as much as she liked, her mother is a doctor. Not much to do but shoot them a massively disappointed look, guilt trips from strangers can work. I was inspired to quit by a young boy (4 or 5) who walked past (I had tried to hide my ciggy and blow the smoke away from him because I hate letting kids see me smoke, even strangers) and said to his mummy "that lady is smoking, she shouldn't do that it will kill her"

It fucks me off when I see it. I often wonder if those same women would tag a big drag of a fag and blow it into a newborns face, probably not, but that's essentially what they are doing if they smoke when pregnant. It's disgusting.

take not tag.

I used to smoke and it's rubbish that you can't give up.

momsnetcurtains you say we should do as our own Mums did. My Mum smoked for 20 years and gave up as soon as she and Dad started TTC my older brother. So, what's your point?

I don't know anyone who gives their babies a bath every day, except one couple whose baby adores the bath. Not sure what bathing has to do with this argument though.

I'm glad that you and your siblings are all fine, but trying to dispute the fact that there is an enormous amount of medical evidence that smoking in pregnancy harms the baby is slightly delusional.