to be pissed off at seeing a pregnant woman smoking yesterday?

[topsi]

Am not sure what goes through some people's minds? WHY??

[Disastronaut]

It comes down to a difference between what's moral or (even 'a good idea') & what's legal. Is it a good idea to smoke when pregnant? - no. Is it 'moral' to use heroin or drink yourself to death while pregnant? Most of us would say no.

But it's legal because the foetus has no rights as a person. And it's really important it stays that way.

[Ashoething]

my mum started smoking when she was pregnant with me.i was a low birth weight baby.I the had my son who was a low birth weight baby.There is a direct correlation.So my mums selfish decision to smoke not only effected myself but also my child.Smoking when pregnant is disgusting and cannot be justified.

[Lexiesinclair]

The rights of a woman to do as she chooses to her own body should not take precedent over the rights of the unborn child to not be harmed by its mother. However hard it is to give up smoking, she is making an informed choice to continue and risk her baby's health.

[SchroSawMargeryDaw]

Lexie So what do you think is the solution? Force women to stop?

AShoe How do you know that is what caused you and your DC to be low birth weight?

[Ashoething]

The reasotTThe readon Tt

[namechangeofshame]

YANBU is selfish and wrong and I quite happily judge.

All the excuses about stress, it's hard to give up etc are just that weak excuses to put yourself first.

I say that as someone who went from 30-40 a day from the age of 11-32 then gave up after I found I was pg.

[Solari]

^ That pretty much only works if you are anti-abortion, which is another whole debate in itself.

[Fakebook]

It pisses me off when pregnant women smoke right outside the delivery suite next to a massive non-smoking sign at our hospital. They're more than welcome to smoke in their own homes away from me.

[Solari]

Sorry, that was to Lexiesinclair, thread moves fast!

[Ashoething]

The reason smoking in pregnancy is so vehemently defended on mn is because some posters obviously smoked in pregnancy and their guilt makes them defensive.

[Solari]

Certainly not true in my case Ashoething , did everything absolutely by the book in my pregnancies.

I don't agree morally with people who smoke during pregnancy.

I do however acknowledge that they have the right to, whether I like it or not.

[Disastronaut]

Lexie: that's quite an alarming statement, IMHO. How would you ensure I didn't harm my foetus? Mandatory drug tests? 24 hour surveillance? Legal action??

[BonaDrag]

I was a 20 a day sm

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

I have more sympathy with people who have tried and can't give up, and who do massively cut down, than those who say it is their right to do what they want with their body. That's not a good defence, IMO

I also admit I hate smoking and think it's an odd and pretty stupid thing to do at any time.

[BonaDrag]

..smoker and when I got a BFP I stopped immediately.

Yes it's hard, but not that fucking hard. Smoking when pregnant is disgusting, selfish and looks trashy.

[WorraLiberty]

The reason smoking in pregnancy is so vehemently defended on mn is because some posters obviously smoked in pregnancy and their guilt makes them defensive.

And perhaps the reason obesity isn't judged as harshly is because there are more MNetters who actively TTC whilst overweight/obese, than smokers?

I was neither of the two during my pregnancies, yet I judge neither.

I just don't understand why smokers seem fair game. Is it to make people feel better, to have someone to point at?

[marzipanned]

No, YANBU. I go the fertility clinic regularly for treatment. The entrance/exit is the same as the one for the maternity hospital. There are ALWAYS pregnant women clustered outside puffing away. I really, really hate it - not just that they're smoking while pregnant, but that they're so fucking inconsiderate as to stand outside a doorway that has new babies being brought out (not to mention all the women going to the fertility clinic, many of whom I imagine have had to quit smoking/lose weight in order to receive treatment..)

[SchroSawMargeryDaw]

I did a bit with DS then had the occasional one and used an electric cigarette.

I use the SkyCig in this pregnancy but did take a bit to do that after I found out I was pg.

I couldn't care less if I am judged for it from people who don't know me or anything about my life.

[Ashoething]

Because schrowsaw-low birth weight is a documented occurrence in smokers.If ypu yourself were a low birth weight baby then you are far more statiscally likely to have a low birth weight child.

[marzipanned]

Sorry, x-post with Fakebook

[MissAnnersley]

YANBU. It's grim.

[SchroSawMargeryDaw]

I'm pretty sure it isn't documented to be the case with the next generation though (when it's linked to smoking and not just a genetic low birth thing)?

I haven't heard that before.

[Ashoething]

I know your life in incredibly stressful Schrow-with your disability and living arrangements.Im sorry about that.Do you have anyone supporting you in trying to give up? on another note-did you go to the police about the blackmail pics?

[McNewPants2013]

the reason i defend women who smoke in pregnancy is because i don't know that person life story.

I didn't smoke in pregnancy and sitting behind a screen I would encourage the women to give up, but if they cant they cant