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To not want MIL to take DS to the other side of the world for 6 weeks

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MSDP · 11/11/2012 20:31

My DP thinks I am being unreasonable to not want his mother to take my son away to their home country for six weeks when he is two years old.

My son has a good relationship with his GM and she is capable of looking after him, however I am not comfortable with her taking my son for so long to a place more than 12 hours away. This place has is in South America and is not renowned for being the safest place in the world and my son has never been away from me for me than 2 nights so am I being unreasonable?

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allagory · 11/11/2012 22:10

He is being more than unreasonable. If tries to go ahead, he could committing a child abduction offence. This is a useful article if it gets nasty:
FCO link

SugarplumMary · 11/11/2012 22:18

"Also she was very involved in my DSD early years to the point where she tried to position herself almost as the other parent and I do not want her to start trying to be like that with my DS"

I had issues with my IL - along these lines but they never suggested anything as drastic as this. It was more they thought many things were their decisions -things they didn't let their parents have a say in.

Boundaries need stating early and forcefully and you need to get your DH on side. It?s not a normal request. It?s not in your DC best interests and in the unlikely event it did go ahead I?d worry your MIL would find ways to cause problems and delay return even longer.

milktraylady · 11/11/2012 22:19

Blimey. Who is the boss here- you are primary carer here so your word is the last one.
Plus at 2 years old 6 weeks away from you he will have separation anxiety.
He won't understand after a few days why you aren't there.
It sounds like your MIL is muscling in on your parenting relationship.

Stand firm, hide all documents, listen to your instincts.
Good luck.

weegiemum · 11/11/2012 22:20

Flip I've been to Bogota to work just above "the line"

It's a very scyry place.

Unless you or dad is with him, speaking the language, then I'd say a very firm no!

MSDP · 11/11/2012 22:21

Just writing all of this down has made my resolution stronger my DS will not be going anywhere without me and I am not going to have him registered at the consulate and have his non British passport issued as if he goes anywhere he can go with me with his British passport.

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confuugled · 11/11/2012 22:23

Absolutely no way. And another vote for hiding the passport, birth certificate and anything else like that.

However I would tell her that one day she could take him to visit south america, once he is old enough to be away from his mum and to look after himself - so she can't complain that you are being unreasonable. The fact that he's not going to be old enough for you to agree to this until he's at least 32 1/2 in your eyes is completely by the by - no meed to mention that trivial detail at this point. Grin Whenever she asks, just keep repeating that he will be able to go at some point in the future but not until he's old enough...

Are there cultural reasons why the MIL would think that she is head of the household and should have sole control of a gc for such a long period of time? or is it just her personality? Did your dh spend long periods of time with other people when he was very young and therefore think it is normal? is she going to SA anyway and wants to take him with her to show him off before you get a chance to, so she gets all the credit so to speak for him? or is she specifically going to take your ds? Sorry, lots of questions!

Do you think your dh or mil would try to get a passport for him anyway for their home country - using a certified copy of the birth certificate and going to the embassy or doing it when in SA (if she is there anyway?) And if so, is there any way of a) finding out if it happens, b) stopping it from happening and c) if it does happen, getting the other passport revoked? Is there any way that you can put a mark on his passport at the moment to say that you don't agree to him being taken out of the country at the moment, in case your mil or dh decide just to do it when you are not around?

Is the country one of those that has signed up to that agreement that if one parent removes a child against the wish of the other parent, then it will return it to the other parent if there is a court order in place in the country where they are all living. Or once there will its laws and customs take precedence - ie if the child is with the father then they will say the child is with the right parent so tough to the mother.

Sorry for so many questions - hope you manage to persuade your dh and mil about how unreasonable they are being.

Just out of interest - you've said that you would also have a problem with your mum taking ds away for so long, so it's not about MIL taking him but about anybody taking him (even dh I am assuming) and him being away from you for so long when he is so little). What would he say if your mum said she would like to take him for 6 weeks somewhere - would he agree or thing she was crazy and absolutely no way?

Is your dh planning on going on this trip with MIL? Do you think that he is getting a bit tired of the constant demands of a toddler and is just seeing a chance for a selfish break from being a dad where he doesn't have to compete with a toddler but can just think about doing what he wants when he wants and therefore is able to cut himself off from the dad side of things because he sees some benefits for himself?

Definitely think you need to be happy to be on the attack for this one when talking about it with dh - he's told you that you're unreasonable. Remember that just because he's said it, it doesn't make it true. He's just hoping that the more he tells you that, you will come to believe it. You need to be telling him that he's the unreasonable one (along with MIL) and that it isn't going to happen. good luck!

BelleJolie · 11/11/2012 22:23

My thoughts after your OP: a big fat no. My thoughts after your second post: no f*ing way.

It will be traumatic for your DS to be away from you for so long.

And, you have to think through the future implications for him being a national of another country...will he have to do national service and could he be conscripted to fight in any wars that country is involved in? I have no idea if that's possible, but I'd consider it.

The written permission thing sends shivers up my spine and would concern me.

Please don't let him be taken there without you.

confuugled · 11/11/2012 22:27

Sorry, previous post was a bit long so ended up x-posting with lots of preceding posts.

WOuld there be any benefit in registering him at the consulate and getting him a passport so that you hold it (and keep it safely out of dh's way) so that your dh wasn't able to get him a passport? And so that you could register something on it to say that you did not give permission for dc to go to Columbia without you.

Or would it make it easier for him to claim that it was lost and therefore get a new one issued? Don't know if there's any way of finding out and sorting it out without your dh being involved!

Viviennemary · 11/11/2012 22:30

Absolutely not.

ImagineJL · 11/11/2012 22:34

Absolutely no way, never. I wouldn't let my kids go away in the UK for six weeks without me unless I was ill and incapacitated in some way, never mind Colombia.

SirBoobAlot · 11/11/2012 22:35

Not a snowballs fucking chance in hell.

SIX WEEKS?! Are they on another planet?! Six weeks is a lifetime to a two year old.

Concerned by both your MIL and Hs reaction to this.

YourHandInMyHand · 11/11/2012 22:38

I would take his documents to your parents, and ask them to put them in a safe place. Whether you trust him or not he has history for letting his mother stomp all over boundaries regarding his children.

A normal grandmother wouldn't dream of suggesting they take their TWO YEAR OLD DGS away to another continent for SIX WEEKS. Shock

Your DP not supporting you on this is just as worrying as her oddness to be honest. Could he order a replacement birth certificate and then apply for a non-british passport?? I'd be concerned about this. Whether you trust him right now or not, his dad is from a country where if your ds ended up there you would need his dad's permission to leave with him. I think you need to put measures in place so that this situation could never occur.

I appreciate that I may sound rather scaremongerish here but better safe than sorry.

MulledWineOnTheBusLady · 11/11/2012 22:38

HUGE alarm bells. "So much for him to do there"? He's 2. This woman has had kids, she can't possibly think that a two-year-old would make a good tourist.

Which makes me think she has other motives. It may not be the worst case scenario, but still, I think I would stop assuming she is a lovely person if I were you.

MSDP · 11/11/2012 22:39

Confuugled, I do think there is an element of her wanting to show him off and take credit and also I think that she is quite lonely and relies upon her grandchildren to give herself something to do. The visit probably would be specifically to take him. My DP did spend a lot Of time with his grandparents as a child before he came to this country but they were just overnight stays and nearby.

From what I can ascertain the country is signed up to the Hague convention although I am unsure the exact implications of that. There is national service but my son would be exempt I believe due to being born in the UK however I am not willing to risk it as he is perfectly fine to travel with British passport.

I don't think that he wants a break from my little one and I know he would miss him desperately I just don't think he understands why I would say no as she is his grandmother.

I have always tried to ensure that my son knows his family that are not based here to the extent that I travelled alone with my son to Spain when he was 3 months old so that he could meet his GF and aunt, so it is not a case of one family over the other injust want my son with me, I only get one chance at being his Mum and am inevitably not going to do everything perfectly just don't want to put him through uneccessary distress.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 11/11/2012 22:42

Absolutely no fucking way.

I wouldn't even get bogged down in discussion and argument about it. Just refuse.

YourHandInMyHand · 11/11/2012 22:43

Does he socialise with any other dads MSDP?

Even knackered mums and dads who get on with their parents or inlaws wouldn't agree with this, it's just a really odd thing to suggest.

FTRsMammy · 11/11/2012 22:44

NO just absolutely categorically NO NO NO NO NO
YADNBU my DS is almost 4 and I miss him if he stays out overnight, also 6 weeks is a long time to take care of someone else's child it changes the dynamic from looking after to parenting and you're his parent not your mil!!
Stand firm, if you're not comfortable with it then no means no

weegiemum · 11/11/2012 22:45

Op I don't know what you're doing languge-wise (I've got bilingual dc)

Would you dp teaching your dc Spanish placate your mil at all?

Afrodizzywonders · 11/11/2012 22:47

Absolutely no way.

YADNBU

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 11/11/2012 22:48

I have never seen such a unanimous AIBU thread before!

Another one for YADDDDNBU.

wewereherefirst · 11/11/2012 22:48

Could you all travel to Colombia for a week to appease MIL? My sister wants to take my 6 y/o to Madrid for a weekend so he can meet the family, but I've said no way- he's my son and if he's going to travel it will be with me.

SparkleSoiree · 11/11/2012 22:49

YANBU.

Your child, your decision. Your choice needs to be respected and undue pressure not put upon you to change your mind.

Flojo1979 · 11/11/2012 22:50

YANBU

donburi · 11/11/2012 22:54

I have pm'ed you

MSDP · 11/11/2012 22:59

My son is bein taught Spanish at home and I committed to making sure that he grows up bilingual as that can only be an advantage. I will go with my son when the money is available.

My DP doesnt socialise with many other fathers as he is constantly working and I am left alone a lot of the time to look after my little boy and his sister on the weekends. To be honest this whole thing just irritates me as I do a hell of a lot but get very little back and am seen as overprotective of my son (this is the perception I get) but the majority of parenting falls me even with my DSD but that is a whole other thread.

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