.....to think that the casual racism shown towards Ferengi in ST:TNG is rather unpleasant?

[HalloweenyHerrena]

I mean, the Ferengi have been carefully designed to be irritating but come on!

Picard saying "I have reluctantly let members of a particular ethnic group on baord the Enterprise - hopefully they won't cause trouble" just sounds wrong to me and is not in keeping with the happy-clappy 'We are here to encounter new life and not judge' ethos of the whole show. Unless the ethos is actually 'We are here to encounter new life and not judge them unless we find them personally repulsive, in which case we hoick our judgy pants right up'.

I may be over-thinking this but I still don't find it nice to watch, which is upsetting as I'm an avid TNG fan :(

I've always wondered why women have to give birth in the ST universe. Can't you just lock onto the baby and beam it out? That's what I'll be requesting when the future gets here!

The only painless birth I recall was Troi's when she gave birth to a being that wanted to experience a corporeal body. And when Crusher asked if Betazoid births were pain free she said not according to my mother.

I thought that about childbirth, too, ScarePhyllis! (bloody hell, I first mistyped you as phallus! ). Too much sex on this thread!

Speaking of sex, and also of transporters, does anyone remember Janeway's affair with the man whose species was oppressing another species? Voyager smuggled the oppressed ones out, and the man tried to betray them, only to discover that Janeway hadn't told him the truth (I think they hid the refugees in the transporter buffer), either, despite their chemistry. He was another one to snog, but not marry.

What about when Paris and Janeway broke warp 10, turned into space slugs and had little space slug babies?

I'd forgotten about that episode. That one was trippy!

I think everyone is better off forgetting about that one.

Oh! I had forgotten that! For ages, Voyager with popcorn and Pinot Grigio, was my DS-bedtime treat. Maybe a few of the episodes' plots slid away from me...

"I've always wondered why women have to give birth in the ST universe. Can't you just lock onto the baby and beam it out?"

ScarePhyllis, this did happen in an episode of voyager called "Deadlock".

I love this thread!! Have nothing intelligent to add, just lurking

All this on Star Trek and no mention of Chris Pine as NewKirk? Shame on you all!

(I love the new movie, also liked DS9 a lot, am fondish of TOS and TNG and Voyager was largely awful imo)

WhereYouLeftIt, PLEASE admit you had to look up the episode title!

Oh, come on, Valdeeves, not even a quick turn at "Snog, Marry, Avoid"? We won't be species-ist about any choices: you could even snog Species 8472, and we will accept it (I don't think they've been spoken for yet, whereas there's a lot of fighting over Picard, Paris and Chakotay: we'll be making do with holograms rather than polygamy, I think!)

NewKirk didn't do it for me. He's not as appealingly repressed as Spock and McCoy, and not as fun as Scottie and Chekhov, either!

I had a massive crush on Worf as a small child! And had all the figurines from TOS and TNG. Went to a convention when I was 4,it's one of my earliest memories!

My OH doesn't like Star Trek. When he told me I had to seriously consider whether it was a deal breaker. Decided I would enforce liking it on him instead ;)

My DH didn't watch it when growing up.

plutocrap, hands up, yes I did . I could remember watching the episode so knew it was Naomi's birth in Voyager, but the only show I remember episode titles for is Doctor Who. Yes, I am both a Trekkie and a Whovian .

hmm, I'm better at episode names for The X-Files tbh.

the worst thing about Voyager was the slight over reliance on holodeck based stories. those @?&%£# 'Fair Haven' things were awful. the ones with the Hirojans (sp?) were slightly less sucky i suppose. DH has not bothered with those box sets...

yesterday's lunchtime DS9 featured an alien race who...were humanoid and wore funny hats, with what looked like some beads from one of those massaging car seat liners hanging from them. cool.

As for over-reliance on the holodeck, I'm not surprised! In all those years "at sea", what else do we expect them to get up to? Better than drugs and killing one another, or stasis while a bored-to-suicide skeleton crew navigates Voyager back!

Yep, I saw the holodeck as the Voyager crew being able to retreat to the safe and familiar, when being 75 years away from home got too much for them. I even liked Fair Haven! Exploring the dangers of tweaking your holo love interest to perfect them - and realising that it was exactly the wrong thing to do. Interesting idea.

Anybody out there a Farscape fan? I am far, far too into sci-fi.

i was meaning the script writers reliance on it really. i quite understand the crew relying on it [grin

I just found myself emotionally invested in Wesley's leaving starfleet academy / off to join the paedophile traveller episode on sky atlantic

I loved farscape when I was younger. Am also a Whovian - I remember watching Peter Davison's incarnation when I was v young (repeats!). Basically I am just a massive sci fi geek

"not every species was humanoid though, there were a few energy beings and suchlike were there not?"

2D plankton, that's all I'm saying. They were the most awesome aliens ever. I mean in a fluffy, TNG sort of way... I remember struggling to get my head round the idea as a smallish child. Awesome.

What about Skin of Evil where they'd blatantly run out of money at the end of the series and it was a crappy oil slick?

Remember the androgynous species that TNG met? One of them was seduced by Riker's beard and realised she was a woman after all. That episode was classic sci-fi - present a current concern in a totally different context to circumvent prejudices - but it did make me feel a bit queasy as I'm not a Riker fan.

googles skin of evil

dies laughing at oil slick wookie

don't remember that one!