All the disparaging references to Daily Mail

[Abitwobblynow]

Does it not occur to you right-on caring sort, that the Daily Mail is the largest-selling newspaper in this country?

In other words, DM could reflect the views of the silent majority.

And your caring sharing good intentions could be an imposition, not an ideal or a truth.

So who are you with your sneering?

Finally: what is so heinous about a view point that gives importance to the concept of personal responsibility, and the values of the country?

Loved your link salty

PMSL at "COULD THE P.C. BRIGADE GIVE THE MIDDLE CLASS SWINE FLU?"

I'm pretty confident being racist, xenophobic, mysoginistic, socially divisive and down right unpleasant about a different facet of humanity each day cannot amount to the moral good.

OK, now the OP has brought out the Nazi reference (WRT "soft hearted non-DM readers"?!) I suppose it's fair game.

I can see both sides of this: I think the DM is appallingly cynical in the way it preys on women's insecurities to sell papers endless scaremongering about working mums, highlighting people's physical flaws etc and has some highly questionable political views more broadly.

But the way that people on the left have adopted it as a totem of everything that's wrong with the country strikes me as uterrly hysterical too and quite out of proportion to its fairly trivial wrongs. The Mail is a nasty cynical rag but it doesn't come with a flippin' charter from the Devil himself, its only a bloody newspaper. Those people who think they're informed and liberated from bias just because they read the Guardian not the Mail (and over 90% of these Mail haters are Guardian readers), you're just falling for tribalism and bias of a different stripe.

No dear, you are missing the point with this: "- which statement perfectly proves my point. Who are YOU to decide what is desirable and what is the moral good? Why are YOUR good intentions, more valid than the majority?"

Why are they any less? A large group of wrong people are still wrong. One right man is still right when standing next to them.
You seem to have the bizarre notion that the majority in any group have some sort of claim to the moral high ground.

Probably an idea you picked up from the Daily Mail, I imagine its the sort of shit they promote

Those people who think they're informed and liberated from bias just because they read the Guardian not the Mail (and over 90% of these Mail haters are Guardian readers)

Have you any basis in fact for this? Any study which shows what proportion of "mail haters" read the guardian? You wouldn't be lecturing the rest of us on bias while inventing stats that look wildly inaccurate, would you?

it is only a best seller- because it is a manageable size, since long before the guardian etc had their unwieldly pages chopped down

How do you KNOW they are misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, etc etc? Does the fact that YOU call them this, make them so?

And, has anyone had the curiosity to google The Vision of the Anointed yet?

if i am able to convince 150 people that 2+2 =7 but 1 person says no its 4. does that make him/her wrong then?

The primary function of the Daily Mail is to wind up middle England
I do not object to the Right having their own rag.

What I object to is the utter meanness of the writing.
They can't be nice, even when they are writing a positive story.

They constantly allude to things even when there is no obvious connection. They can shoehorn a Romanian immigrant into a piece about cupcakes.

My mum gets it. She isin a constant state of terror lest she is the victim of crime even though she is statistically the least likely group to be targeted.

I remember their Christmas message a couple of years ago

'We wish all our readers a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year if we are still allowed to say that'

Why would they say that! There wasn't even their usual fantasy story about wintervale to tie it to.

They just couldn't resist being horrible.

silent majority? silent?!

Just read out the OP to my family.... will try and post more when we've stopped laughing...

Of course it represents the views of the majority, unfortunately.

Look at our current government and their policies, they are there because most people voted for them.

Just because they are the majority doesnt make them right though.

The dm does not respect the values of this country what complete and utter bull**t. It does what it can to sell papers , so twisting the truth, misleading articles make people think they are reading news but actual facts reported seem to be few and far between.

MrSunshine
No evidence at all, pure conjecture on my part. But I'd put money on being right. Its a hallmark.
(I'm a recovering Guardian reader, by the way)

the majority didnt though did they itsgoingtobefine

Thomas Sowell? The man who compared Obama to Hitler for trying to hold BP accountable for cleaning up their own oil spills?
No fucking thank you.

Silent majority? In our dreams

Love the idea that people who don't enjoy the DM are being narrow-minded and opinionated. Because the DM is NEVER opinionated - it prefers a kind of, 'This is how it seems to me, but hey your viewpoint is valid too, let's share our views and agree to disagree' line.

Succinctly, OP, the reason I personally will never buy the DM is because it has waged war on families like mine for decades. My choice, surely? Just as it's your choice to buy it. My view of your choice is neither more nor less undemocratic than yours is of mine.

are you an anarchist wobbly?

And, has anyone had the curiosity to google The Vision of the Anointed yet?

Not yet but is it some kind of pyramid investment scheme? If it is I'm not interested

How do you KNOW they are misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, etc etc? Does the fact that YOU call them this, make them so?

No, the fact they espouse misogynistic, xenophobic, racist and homophobic views makes them so.

Just googled abit, looks like a fascinating read even to my rather left wing eyes! The amazon reviews do state that it's an American author and the stats are out dated though. Who would you recommend as a British alternative?
Am not taking the mickey either, I'm a left wing pagan and have a huge interest in all sides of the political and religious debates

Godwin's law! Bingo!

You'd lose your money then quesadilla, as it couldn't possibly be true. Some of the mail haters wouldn't read any paper, some would be abroad and read local papers, some will read other papers etc etc. 90% of mail haters don't read the guardian.

Abitwobblynow - does it not occur to you uncaring sorts, that being bigger and louder than the opposition means jack all.

And the bilious hatred that the Daily Mail spews forth, both online and in print, is an imposition, and most certainly not an ideal or a truth.