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If you went to a preschooler's party, would this piss you off?

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WillGetTruncated · 01/10/2012 00:17

Namechanged because this may out me IRL and I post personal stuff under my normal username.

I should say that this is a genuine question, not a please-validate-me. I really don't know whether this is a nice idea, or a really annoying one that would make you eye-roll.

DS is having a birthday party with another kid from the same community preschool. We are hiring a cheap local hall for it. There will be around 30 families in total by the time outside friends are counted, 2/3 of whom will be kids from the same preschool. The other kids belong to close family friends on both sides.

The playgroup depends heavily on local fundraising and is really fab, IMO. The staff are great and the parent committee work bloody hard. The parents all know this, and most do contribute to the various events as well as volunteering to help with chores and sessions. Staff are very undemanding in terms of salaries (they are all committed to early years ed. and many are highly qualified; no-one sits around bored drinking tea and keeping a vague eye - they all seem to love what they do) and do a lot of fundraising themselves.

We have already decided to ask for no presents, for a couple of reasons (selfish and otherwise). What I want to know is, if you went to a party for a kid from your own child's community preschool, would you mind if the invite stated: "Please do not bring presents for the birthday boys, but there will be a collection box for XYZ Preschool by the door, should you want to contribute."

Would that piss you off and sound really prissy, or seem like a good idea? It could raise as much as a specific fundraising event does, and the preschool need the money. But I don't want to make people feel like it's a demand for a donation, either. It just seemed like a good opportunity if people wanted to chuck a couple of quid in instead of the 2 plastic dinosaurs or whatever they'd usually get as presents. And a collection tin would mean nobody would know who gave what/at all. Plus it benefits most of the kids at the party, so it's not like I'm asking for my own pet charity.

AIBU to think of doing this?

OP posts:
nailak · 01/10/2012 22:03

"The child isn't benefiting at all from someone donating to charity for them"

even if that charity is a facility they use 5 days a week?

Haberdashery · 01/10/2012 22:05

If there is too many then donate them afterwards.

I actually think it's much meaner to give a child a toy and then take it away than not to give it in the first place. DD didn't care at all (or even notice) about not getting presents from quite a few of the people at her party but she would be really upset by that.

PerfectlyChaotic · 01/10/2012 22:22

Goodness, what a lot of analysis! I don't think you're being unreasonable OP - my almost 3yo would find the party alone exciting enough. Plus pressies from close family - I'm sure he'll be one very happy chap. As grateful as I am for all the pressies my elder DS has received over the last few years there are v few that get played with regularly.

I'd feel relieved not to have to source a cheapish but not too tacky gift...do it :)

EugenesAxe · 01/10/2012 23:40

OK fair enough, I got a bit carried away! I just think there are people out there who encourage children to think they need to have lots of and all the latest toys and fashions when really they don't, and some of the posts here suggested posters were promoting the idea of presents being what parties are about.

I wasn't suggesting you had all rioted (!) - just that materialism seemed to made them worse. A silly analogy.

EugenesAxe · 01/10/2012 23:41

...have made the worse.

WillGetTruncated · 02/10/2012 00:17

Blimey, so many responses, wasn't expecting that. Thanks for them, and (for the most part!) I genuinely don't mind the more challenging ones at all. I know what AIBU is like, and actually I asked here, rather than say parenting, because I wanted that level of honesty. I didn't want it sugar coated because I was genuinely not sure if it was a good idea or not.

In answer to some points: almost all the kids asked go to the same preschool. It isn't my favourite charity, it's one all the parents already support, which is what made me think of it. I wouldn't do this for a pet cause without it being one all the parents (bar 4 families) are also affiliated with. I'd not think that appropriate, no. It's effectively a preschool party, anyway, but on reflection I think I will just leave off the idea of any fundraising there, because it's not fair if it makes some people uncomfortable, which the comments here make it clear it will. Captive audience, effectively, so that's a no go.

The other thing I think people are missing is that this isn't "fundraising at the expense of the boys", because the other family raised not wanting presents without any question of fundraising, weeks ago. I only thought of asking for donations instead last night, and then thought I'd canvass opinions here before taking the idea any further. I'm glad I have, as the opinions expressed have decided me against it. I'm far less certain that it's a good idea for a not-quite-4 year old to have 30 individual presents from one party, frankly. The two issues are separate, and always were.

Quint, you say you think it's rude to discuss friends' financial situation. I would think telling them to STFU about it when they choose to raise it is rude, personally. Our ideas of what is and isn't appropriate are plainly very different. If you are assuming that the other mother and I have been gossiping about that, then your assumption is quite simply wrong. And extremely rude in its own right. Saying "yeah, and things are tough for some people" as an addendum to not wanting the kids to be overwhelmed/spoilt is not sharing confidences. As to thinking cheap presents aren't good enough - I'd be bloody horrified if people spent a lot of money on a preschooler's gift unless they were a close relative or a godparent. What kind of presents should I be assuming people will buy?

I also think people talking about teaching their kids about the pleasure of giving are right, but not about stuff bought from a shop at the age of 3. We do that with DS over older people's presents, absolutely, as we generally make them, but not for gifts for contemporaries as I don't think most little kids would really value a handmade drawing or model done by another toddler. It's also not unnatural for a very small child to want a present chosen for their peer for themselves, and there are plenty of other opportunities to encourage generosity and empathy that don't involve attaching the display of those qualities to material possessions, IMO. Such as asking all the kids at preschool (while we can rely on guests's parents remaining and making the supervision feasible), rather than getting into the "you're not my friend and you can't come to my party" nonsense a lot of them are already starting. I don't really feel comfortable with linking stuff and love in their minds any more than it is already. At the risk of sounding like a hippy, kids have way, way more than we ever did in the 70s and 80s, and I don't think that an improvement in their quality of life. We regularly do sweeps and remove stuff he doesn't play with for a week or two, and if he doesn't notice, rehome it - he rarely clicks, and isn't bothered if he does. To me, that's the sure sign of a kid with too much stuff. (And please don't anyone come back and tell me to dictate to my inlaws how to do it, because I am not going to go there. I value good family relations too much.) Nor do I think the correlation between personal value as an individual and what you can afford to buy is a healthy one. That doesn't mean I deny my kid toys etc, but it does mean I don't want to teach him that giving people something you can just walk into a shop and buy shows love. It doesn't. Treating them well does that.

I really do like the idea of getting the kids to make a gift, but TBH that seems like a big imposition on the parents. But I think if we get finger paints, a giant scrapbook for each birthday boy, and get the guests to do a handprint each in it, that would be a really nice momento in years ahead. Won't mean a thing now, but I would love something like that from my own childhood parties now. So thanks for those who suggested something personalised.

Worra I think your logic is deficient, TBH. You think it's mean to deprive a kid of 30 presents, but that a big active party with all their friends could be binned in favour for having 3 over for tea. He has 3 friends over for tea just about every week. That's not a party, and I would think that really was depriving a kid of part of the fun of childhood. Considering how much the hall hire, bouncy castle, food, drinks, entertainment is going to cost...the OP could have donated all that money to the school and just had a birthday tea for her child instead. Hall is £30. Castle is £50. Food we are making ourselves and would have to make where-ever the party was; ditto drinks. All those costs are being split between two families, too. It's going to be a grand total of about £60 or £70 quid each. And what makes you think I don't do other fundraising stuiff for them, anyway? As for entertainment... I don't think Musical Bumps is terribly expensive, really. And again, we'd be doing that kind of thing wherever we were (though given our houses are small, we'd have trouble). Confused This party will cost less than one at the local soft play centre, and it will be for three times as many kids.

Someone asked if I've ever asked for donations instead of gifts for my own birthdays. Answer is yes.

I do wonder if the people certain the boys'd notice and mind lack of presents, though, have 3/4 year olds, without any older siblings? Because I honest to God don't think they would know the difference at this age. Their expectations are moulded by those around them, and we've not been to a single party where presents were opened in front of the guests. Not one. Every single party DS has ever been to, parents hand pressies at the door, they go in a bag, kids don't really think again about them. DS is very excited about his party and has talked about it endlessly, but presents hasn't been mentioned in that connection once. (Unlike birthday presents from family, which he is well aware of). He's 3, is that unusual? I wouldn't deny presents if I thought he would notice or care, but I don't think he would this year. Should probably say that my own idea on this is likely skewed because my Mum had one big party for us all at the local common every summer, no individual ones (cost reasons) and we never got presents. I didn't even twig that we hadn't until people started commenting on this thread, tbh. So the whole "parties being about presents" isn't something I really think of. Parties to me were always about games and food, not loot. That may be why the presents thing just isn't an issue to me (and DS had a party last year, not on or for his birthday, so perhaps that's why he doesn't associate them with presents yet either?), but then again, I wasn't the parent to raise the idea of no gifts.

One person here has suggested that we ask that only one present is bought per guest, and then we split them, which I think is a good one and worth exploring. I'll maybe mention that as an alternative, given so many think they'd just bring a present anyway which rather defeats the object.

Thanks for the views - they've been really varied and I am genuinely appreciative of the overwhelming majority, whatever the opinion expressed, as I'd not really thought it through in any detail and so having my thoughts clarified like this has been helpful. As donations would make several uncomfortable, I definitely won't be doing that, and I will have a think and a chat about how to phrase it if we don't want presents, or if we want the presents to be split between the boys rather than each.

Sorry this is so long. There were just a lot of comments to respond to. Again, thanks for all the input.

OP posts:
GlassofRose · 02/10/2012 16:46

The OP doesn't expect people to make a donation. She was going to give invitees the option of making an anonymous donation if they wish. She has no intention of ambushing people and rattling a collection tin in their faces.
Some posters are making this up as they go along

^^ Inviting" people to donate adds a little pressure. If you say "No presents, but we're collecting for X" It will make some people feel a bit of pressure to donate. If there just happened to be a collection tin there then it's optional without any pressure at all.

It's like the difference between the charity collectors in the street who don't harass you and just say thank you if you choose to donate and the ones who go "Hello Madam can you spare a few minutes" etc... the latter adds pressure the first doesn't.

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