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To think that these T-shirts are disgusting?

443 replies

GreenD · 11/09/2012 18:14

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19560284

Whatever you may think of her, this is hardly in good taste is it? It just makes the unions look bad to have this sort of thing on sale at their conference. Can you imagine the CBI having T-shirts looking forward to the deaths of Tony Benn, or Shirley Williams, on sale at their conference?

OP posts:
Kayano · 13/09/2012 13:15

A whole nation?

So you are saying you're like that then? As you are part of the 'whole nation'

Don't talk shit

Kayano · 13/09/2012 13:17

Unless you see those on benefits as completely different to you Hmm

LineRunner · 13/09/2012 13:27

Dancing on Thatcher's grave - it's a fucking metaphor, FFS. No-one is suggesting that people literally go and do it at her funeral in front of Carole and Mark.

Who are presumably themselves part of the Whole Nation.

Scholes34 · 13/09/2012 13:28

Not necessarily a nice sentiment on the t-shirt.

Where you grew up and your experience of the Thatcher years will help determine your views on her.

My dad, with many other ex-steelworkers, won't necessarily be dancing on her grave, but certainly won't be buying the newspapers' souvenir editions of her life and politics.

flatpackhamster · 13/09/2012 13:41

Rowanhart

Wow. i didn't attempt to smear your mortality. I stated it was different to mine.

No, what you tried to do was imply that your morality was superior - that you're a better person than me. That clearly isn't the case although it's nice to see that your PPE degree has taught you the essential skill of dissembling. I'm sure that the Labour party finds your ability to smear, dissemble and deny reality valuable.

It's a classic tactic, of course. What you're doing is saying that you're a better person than me, and by extension that your arguments must be superior. They aren't. You've told me that it's great to have stuff now that you haven't paid for, and you've got that trick of calling spending 'investment' when it isn't, and you've also pretended to understand the way an economy works, but what you haven't done is presented a better argument.

It seems that standards at 'uni' (what we used to call 'university' in the old days) have fallen somewhat.

As I said, not engaging with insulting nonsense. We clearly have different perspectives on what is important in terms of Government investment and political imperatives.

Where we seem to disagree is as much on the payment for those goods. You seem to think that it's OK to run up tens of trillions in debt that everyone's children will have to pay for in order to buy stuff now. I disagree with the 'have now, pay later' mentality.

Quite clearly illustrated by your quotation of Thatcher.

This is a thread about Thatcher, isn't it? Perhaps I wandered in to yet another 'Leftist circlejerk fantasyland' thread by accident.

Apologies that you found my 'especially wounding' though. Hope you recover soon.

I wonder whether you're deliberately missing the point. You must be.

Dawndonna · 13/09/2012 13:44

Do you know, I was going to have a bit of nag at flatpacks tireless rolling out of 'you're insulting you have no argument.'
I really can't be arsed. Again.

flatpackhamster · 13/09/2012 13:56

Dawndonna
^Do you know, I was going to have a bit of nag at flatpacks tireless rolling out of 'you're insulting you have no argument.'
I really can't be arsed. Again.^

Just cut and paste it like you normally do.

It's interesting to me that so many left-wing people who think that they're "nice" or support "fairness" or "social justice" are so filled with hate - hate for 'Tories', hate for Thatcher, hate for anything that isn't what they believe. You don't get that kind of hate from right-wingers. It's peculiar to lefties. Right-wingers don't "hate" left-wingers, but the reverse is true. Why is that?

Kayano · 13/09/2012 13:59

My dads a Tory and I don't hate him Hmm

A gain with the generalising shit. You can stop now. Labour supporters are not some hate filled masse

Kayano · 13/09/2012 14:02

You've totally ignored
My questions about stoping peoples DLA and killing them and letting schools fall into disrepair and closing libraries at the same time as allowing huge bonuses at banks, not closing tax loopholes for huge corporations and individuals and cutting the tax rate for the richest btw

Kayano · 13/09/2012 14:02

Although I will say we nearly
Had a punch up over Jeremy Hunt last week lol

flatpackhamster · 13/09/2012 14:06

Kayano

A gain with the generalising shit. You can stop now. Labour supporters are not some hate filled masse

It does feel that way. I didn't say 'everyone', but there is a hard core of people like that. But no, in case it wasn't clear, I don't mean all left-wing voters.

NovackNGood · 13/09/2012 14:10

Thatcher and the Conservatives took ailing GB and changed if from being the sick man of Europe to a booming economy and major player on the world stage. Blair and his cultural marxism took a booming economy and put everyone on the sick with social handouts for all.

If the Unions are so clever why have the lumbered Labour with the unelectable wrong brother?

flatpackhamster · 13/09/2012 14:11

Kayano

You've totally ignored
My questions about stoping peoples DLA and killing them and letting schools fall into disrepair and closing libraries at the same time as allowing huge bonuses at banks, not closing tax loopholes for huge corporations and individuals and cutting the tax rate for the richest btw

I wasn't aware it was a question, so sorry about that. I do think that your simplistic lumping together of all that stuff makes it impossible to give you a clear answer.

In general terms I don't think this government is doing very much right. I think Cameron came in to power with no idea what to do, no ideology, no direction, no desire to be anything except PM. That's why he failed to get a majority. He's got it wrong on the EU, wrong on business taxes, wrong on spending cuts, wrong on tax rises, and wrong in loads of other areas.

But, with all that wrongness - he's still only 5% as ghastly as a Labour government.

shesariver · 13/09/2012 14:11

From todays paper it has said that Maggie Thatcher was briefed on the situation regrading Hillsborough amid growing fears that the police would come under attack, following the publication of Lord Justice Taylors report - which rightly blamed the disaster on the police's failure to exert control. Suspicions remain that clear instructions were issued following the Thatcher briefing that the police were not to be held responsible - triggering the start of the cover up.

NovackNGood · 13/09/2012 14:12

Libraries are are and always have been a local authority issue so if your library is closing, blame your local labour council and the thousands you didn't use it so you've lost it.

Kayano · 13/09/2012 14:17

School maintenance stopping while opening more surplus 'free schools'? Is that not a waste of money?

Kayano · 13/09/2012 14:18

I believe she didn't want the police to be shown in a bad light and made that plainly clear

Same was true regarding the miners. She wanted them Portrayed as nasty violent thugs who were assaulting the police for no reason

merrymouse · 13/09/2012 14:50

As I said before, never mind school maintenance - there is a school places crisis. A government of any colour will have to get behind a schools building programme in London, or suddenly develop a passion for home ed.

Also, its not as simple as saying local councils are responsible for deciding to fund libraries. They receive some funding for some of their responsibilities from local government (e.g. school building programmes), and when these funds are cut, savings have to be made elsewhere.

Although, Novack, I think you are right about the brother thing.

NovackNGood · 13/09/2012 14:51

The miners did assault the police and innocent bus drivers and miners going about their work on numerous occasions.

NovackNGood · 13/09/2012 14:55

Councils could easily find the funding from their over inflated executives salaries and bonus schemes with golden parachutes and pensions, through regional salary agreement for fire and police etc. etc.

But no, they prefer to push the blame on up the road when it is their own inaction that leads to services being cut.

Kayano · 13/09/2012 14:58

But she wanted it all portrayed as one sided, there was fault on all sides!

Kayano · 13/09/2012 15:00

Yes merry build
Schools in places that need them

There are 3 free schools in my city being considered and we do not have a places crisis.

That money could be going on new schools where they are actually needed

NovackNGood · 13/09/2012 15:05

Hmmm. Not spoken to her, nor read anything that said she planned anything of the sort. Only read about a loon starting an illegal strike when the power stations were full to brimming with coal reserves and without the support of more than half the miners in the country.

I do remember the BBC which was at the time full of left leaning journalists clearly showing on the news every night of the miners hurling BRICKS at unprotected buses and cars of men going to work in the morning Dropping lumps of concrete from flyovers killing a driver, etc etc.

flatpackhamster · 13/09/2012 15:06

Hush, now. The miners were modern day saints, cruelly oppressed by Evil Thatch. That Scargill, he was Jesus in a donkey jacket.

NovackNGood · 13/09/2012 15:10

Ah yes that will be the Book of Guardian, verse 4:11