To think that Ian Brady...

[KittyFane1]

is playing a sick game.
His final victim is Winnie Johnson who is desperate to find her son Keith Bennet on the moors. She has terminal cancer and not long to live.
IB has been on hunger strike for years and wants to move out of the psychiatric hospital.
There is now, or rather, may or may not be a letter revealing where Keith is. Tormenting this woman in her final days.

Would it be unreasonable to tell IB that he can be moved if he stops this sick game, refusing to say where Keith is buried and if he does, not give him what he wants after all?

birds there have to be some exceptions surely. If for example he told his advocate specific details surely she would be obliged to disclose them to the police?

Ratspeaker - Ah, thanks for confirming that the woman is not a solicitor. In that case what a chump she is. Why the hell would she not have given the letter to the police if she thought it contained info re the whereabouts of a murdered child? I hope they throw the fricking book at her.

JESUS I DIDNT KNOW THAT. Im really really sorry if i upset anyone who might be reading this by asking. Im so sorry.

I hate the way Brady is being talked about. Someone on the Today programme this morning (I can't remember who, but someone who knew him) referred to him as "mischievous". WTF? And then tonight someone else who knew him and had corresponded with him described him as "charismatic". As if in an attempt to make him more interesting when he is worse than a pathetic piece of scum (as someone else said, there are no words).

I'm going a bit ff topic her - the one thing I do feel passionately about is out judicial system. It's a 1,000 years in the making, it's not perfect, but it's the best model the world has. I would rather be tried in this country knowing I had a fair chance than anywhere else.

But that does have to be an equitable trial for everyone. One you start saying he/she shouldnt be able to do this/that - then you destroy the whole infra structure of it.

One in four of us will have MH issue at some point - Brady is a psychopath, a MH issue - if you say things should be changed because of him, you put the one in four at jeopardy through legal precedent.

I'd rather one bastard malingering in jail playing the system, than 25% losing their rights and having no protection.

soap box< but you know where I'm coming from on this even if I've wandered roudn the houses and tied myself up in knots.

"birds there have to be some exceptions surely. If for example he told his advocate specific details surely she would be obliged to disclose them to the police?"

You break confidentiality to protect the public, or the person, if they are vulnerable.

It is a grey area, depending on what was said, considering he may not have revealed anything new, or concrete and he will die in prison.

I know that this is naive and overly simplistic, but a small part of me wishes that the police could lie and say that they had found the child's body and allow his mother the funeral she desperately deserves and needs before she passes away herself. This would also simultaneously remove any remaining power that Brady has to hurt her and control and manipulate the media. Hopefully the media would forget him and allow his victims families the privacy they deserve.

I agree, Hoops. The justice system must treat all with the same rules or it is no system.

jumping you talk from your side of the fence understandably.
Put yourself on the side of the victim. Transfer the names of Lesley Ann Downey, Keith Bennet and the others to the names of those you know and love.
I have no empathy for IB.

Tbh, the fact that Brady is a psychopath cuts no sympathy or slack with me. It consider it irrelevant in judging him. He is an evil cunt regardless of MH.

Mellow, If info about where the body was found got out, Brady could say it was found elsewhere - or what if later the body was found.

I understand your wish for his mother to have whatever peace she can, though.

The thing is, he wouldn't be an evil cunt if it weren't for the psychopathy.

I too have no empathy/sympathy for Brady, I too feel that he is evil, because he has a mental health issue.
However, with regard to a death sentence, one mistake is another murder.

kitty By the grace of God, I've never been in that situation. If I were I hope I would have found the courage and dignity of someone like Doreen Lawrence, sadly I think I would become rather unhinged and hell bent on revenge.

Which in turn would probably catapault me into having a diagnosed MH disorder of some sort - thus being assured that the legal system would treat me fairly.

Dawn, I disagree. He is evil and a psychopath.

My ex colleague is an author and his friend has just written a book about the moor murders. She wrote to Brady and he replied.he seemed to love the attention, kept writing, ended up even sending her mix tapes and freaking her out.

Apart from anything else he has a narcissistic personality disorder, there should be a media blackout on this. It is not in the public interest and there is nothing to be gained from us knowing about it.

'Apart from anything else he has a narcissistic personality disorder, there should be a media blackout on this. It is not in the public interest and there is nothing to be gained from us knowing about it.'

Completely agree

mellowcat I just read the whole thread and was going to post the same. I have thought the same for years. I know its a lie but Winnie Johnson deserves some peace.

jumping I would also develop a MH illness.
I am thoroughly ashamed to say that I would be unable to forgive.
If I myself had a MH illness and it resulted in me committing such a crime, forgiveness can bypass me too. Let me rot in hell in life and death. :(

'Apart from anything else he has a narcissistic personality disorder, there should be a media blackout on this. It is not in the public interest and there is nothing to be gained from us knowing about it.'
Also agree :(

Dawndonna I think, in a naive way, I had always thought there was a hope of rehabilitating anyone. Thats why I never agreed with corporal punishment.

I watched a Horizon programme a while back that tried to define a psychopath. IIRC an American professor was given a stack of brain scans and asked to analyse them without knowing why. He found a common trait. They also studied genetics, and found a common trait. They were all killers. He then studied the brain scans and genetics of his own family (anonymously) and one had the same common traits - it was him. His family were actually not surprised, though obviously he was devastated. He then looked into the childhoods of the killers, and found this had a bearing on which way they went. Those with the brain structure/genetic common traits who had non abusive/happy childhoods had gone on to have powerful corporate positions and very successful careers.

Could be a subsection of society are capable of this, and could be nurtured either way. Dunno

Grow I watched this too. He had all the traits of a serial killer/ psychopath but his family, upbringing, surroundings, experiences meant he didn't become one.

Grow I watched this too. He had all the traits of a serial killer/ psychopath but his life experiences : family, upbringing, surroundings, meant he didn't become one.

I didn't see the programme. Sounds interesting, was it to do with Jon Ronson's book?

If anyone hasn't read Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test, then I recommend it. It's a fascinating read. Links well with the programme Growlithe mentioned above. It doesn't discuss Brady or other notorious UK killers that might be upsetting to some (eg Huntley) so don't feel you have to stay clear of the book for that reason. Lots of American examples.

Brady is an Evil Evil man, I live in the area, and the moors change all the time, it would be almost impossible to know after all these years. I pray that they find him,but I just don't think it will happen, this is just Brady's last hurrah of wickedness to twist the knife a little more.

Winnie used to go up regularly to look for Keith and I drove past a few times when she was there, I wanted to stop the car and hug her, but felt it would have been a futile and intrusive gesture> She is definately the greatest victim, Brady has been mentally torturing that poor woman since 1964.

As a child we used to drive across the moor weekly, and my mum would always tell us to say a little prayer for Keith and Pauline, and as children we were always watched like hawks, strange men and ladies were suspect.