To think that Ian Brady...

[KittyFane1]

is playing a sick game.
His final victim is Winnie Johnson who is desperate to find her son Keith Bennet on the moors. She has terminal cancer and not long to live.
IB has been on hunger strike for years and wants to move out of the psychiatric hospital.
There is now, or rather, may or may not be a letter revealing where Keith is. Tormenting this woman in her final days.

Would it be unreasonable to tell IB that he can be moved if he stops this sick game, refusing to say where Keith is buried and if he does, not give him what he wants after all?

I thought Jackie Powell showed extreme stupidity, and seemed to be enjoying a fair amount of power herself - she told the camera what that letter contained, and only clammed up when the interviewer expressed incredulity that she had kept that knowledge to herself.

I agree. She came across very, very poorly indeed.

Everyone is missing this vital point, Brady is supremely intelligent and has since his incarceration the absolute knowledge that he will die in custody. So what else does a angry sadistic controlling psychopath have left to use? He manipulates everyone, without exception. Ego dictates that whomever comes into contact with him thinks that it will be them that gets the breakthrough. He has recognised this status for years and exploits those fragile egos, it too easy. In his mind he is above us all, condemnation, disgust, outrage and violence towards him are perceived as a weakness he can toy with, he has us all.
Jackie Powell has been duped too, and you saw it in her reaction to the 'victory dance' statement Paddy Wivell used in the documentary. Her look was not of being in trouble, but of the realisation that she has after 13 years of her perception that he trusts her, he has duped her too.
Do not underestimate the power this man will keep even after his death, and this he well knows. Unpalatable as this comes across, but he has won, we must accept this, move forward and let it die. He will provide another twist, and it's already started.
The families should have been provided with better care, counselling, therapy or more help. They could have been helped to find more peace, Ian Brady will never find that, he does not need or want it. Tragic and impossible.
Brady has not lost as he would see it, and that is him, no more, no less. His 'existential experiment' worked, and that's what makes me so utterly hopeless for those monumentally brave families.

Great post Tiger

Tiger :Jackie Powell has been duped too, and you saw it in her reaction to the 'victory dance' statement Paddy Wivell used in the documentary. Her look was not of being in trouble, but of the realisation that she has after 13 years of her perception that he trusts her, he has duped her too.
Whilst I agree that she has definitely been manipulated and duped,
I didn't see that she realised it.
She was defending IB and for whatever reason was refusing to hear a bad word said against him but I don't think she counts herself as a victim. We know that she's been sucked in but she doesn't.

What could be the logic behind allowing Jackie Powell to work with IB? Surely someone would have to be closely monitored and vetted? It seemed to me that she enjoyed the "glory" and "celebrity" of working with him - so certainly not someone who should be in the role. I suppose it's not a job that people are queuing up for.

I agree with Kitty. Powell was upset by the criticism of Brady,she found the "victory dance" comment offensive on his behalf. She is a disturbing and deluded woman.

AGiraffe I wonder if she is more a 'voluntary' worker than an actual health professional. I doubt very much she has risen very far in the mental health field as she came across as not particularly intelligent.
She may have worked in mental health but at what level? I would guess IB invites her to visit as he cam see she is (disturbingly) in awe of him and he thrives on the attention.

Powell is lay person,not qualified.no professional registration or regulatory body to be accountable to. and boy does it show

I only watched first half of programme so feel like I shouldn't be pontificating!! ..... but I was at her.

You're right she seemed in awe of him and this was masquerading as respecting his human rights. Shocked she doesn't have any professional standing. v. strange. She seemed to fit his MO of finding a woman to impress and manipulate.....

Scottish !!
I'm actually surprised that IB would give this woman the time of day. He considers himself above almost everybody due to his extraordinary intelligence.
Maybe he can't be so picky nowadays.

I don't know ib motives
but Powell was unprofessional and unboundaried in way staff aren't

Isn't she executor of his will. She's conflicted if she is in a professional body.

executor of will confers no professional status can be anyone eg friend,partner
is she ib executor?
haven't watched programme

I hope Brady's letters etc are fully scrutinised. It seems odd to me that this all came out just as Mrs Johnson was at the very end of her life. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he tries to keep tabs on various people. He is so manipulative.

I read in Saturday's paper that she claimed to be a co-executor and the advocacy association suggested that could be a conflict.

Action for Advocacy's statement on the documentary.

thanks,a v interesting statement.clearly they want to distance selves from Powell

Very interesting and certainly confirms the feelings we all had re. her lack professionalism. Have I understood it properly - are they trying to say she has no credentials in this role at all? Is she just a member of the public / visitor?

What I meant about her being executor of his will was if she has been appointed as his mental health advocate then she couldn't be his executor or vice versa.

I watched this today, so obviously with the benefit of posts I've read here.

I have to admit that I had a possibly shallow but negative thought about Powell when she was shown driving with her mobile in her hand. But maybe that was just pushing one of my particular buttons, because I tend to regard people who do that as thinking their phone calls are more important than road safety.

It was interesting that one psychiatrist described the Brady and Hindley relationship as a "cult of two", and that Brady reacted badly when Hindley broke off their relationship.

But I think overall there were two things that I learned from the programme.

Firstly, what an extreme psychopath/narcissist is like. I do understand that some people would have preferred the death penalty for Brady, but I also understand that a lot can be learned from keeping such people alive for research purposes. Brady will end up "immortal" - but only in books and learned papers, which he won't be able to control once he's dead.

Secondly, I hadn't realised what the effects were on the families of his victims. Certainly I knew about Winnie Johnson's never-ending campaign to find Keith, and could understand, in some way, her double grief. But I really hadn't taken on board the effect on the families of the other victims. I think there's a tendency to think that once a victim has been recovered and buried, that's "closure" - but it isn't really, is it?

I thought that about mobile and driving too - I thought she was showing off! And when she rolled her eyes as if to say "Sky want to interview me, what can you do" I thought she was enjoying the attention.