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To think that Ian Brady...

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 20:29

is playing a sick game.
His final victim is Winnie Johnson who is desperate to find her son Keith Bennet on the moors. She has terminal cancer and not long to live.
IB has been on hunger strike for years and wants to move out of the psychiatric hospital.
There is now, or rather, may or may not be a letter revealing where Keith is. Tormenting this woman in her final days.

Would it be unreasonable to tell IB that he can be moved if he stops this sick game, refusing to say where Keith is buried and if he does, not give him what he wants after all?

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Glitterknickaz · 17/08/2012 21:04

No, I don't think everyone that commits evil crimes is mentally ill.
Brady has however spent the last 28 years in mental hospitals after being declared criminally insane. He did 19 years in prison prior to this.

Dawndonna · 17/08/2012 21:05

Having been a 'responsible adult', which is what the mental health advocates role is, I do not understand why charges haven't been brought. I certainly hope all rights have been revoked regarding being an advocate. I think perhaps the person concerned probably has mental health problems too. Sounds a bit like an interesting power trip to me.
As for Brady, no words to describe, and I'm the person that usually sticks up for people!

AgentZigzag · 17/08/2012 21:05

12 years, unbelievable that he can have such control (even though it's with something you can't make him do).

That is sad that Keiths mum's in a hospice.

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 21:06

jumping I'd say that anyone in contact with IB has a duty to disclose information relating to his crimes. Stuff his privacy/ human rights.

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Growlithe · 17/08/2012 21:06

Not sure I agree with you stress. I know I may get shot down for this, and I may have the wrong end if the stick, but I think he was the true psychopath, and Hindley went along with it because she was in love and in awe of him. She had the power to stop it. I hate her because she didn't. I think she was worse. Sad

Birdsgottafly · 17/08/2012 21:06

An advocate acts on behalf of the client, that is going to be difficult for people to understand but it is written into Mental Health law.

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 21:06

jumping in other words, I agree with you!

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FatimaLovesBread · 17/08/2012 21:07

The moors are five minutes from my house. Structurally (I.e. roads and houses) they haven't changed at all, but the moors themself and their physical appearance will have. It's full of peat bogs which are replenished with more peat every summer.

With it being so close to home I've always been interested in the case. I agree that he doesn't want the closure of Keith being found so to speak, he doesn't want it to be solved Sad Angry

ratbagcatbag · 17/08/2012 21:08

I hope so much Growlithe you are correct, and Keith and his mum meet again, and the evil twat that is brady enjoys the eternal hell fires he should be subjected too (and I'm generally not religious)

Dawndonna · 17/08/2012 21:08

Yes, it is, there is also a responsibility, in law to report anything such as this.

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 21:09

Birdsgottafly He should be exempt. :( It's like that film "An appropriate adult" Fred West.
Everything should be disclosed.

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EightiesChick · 17/08/2012 21:11

Yes, he is game playing, I think. No, I don't think everyone who commits evil crimes is mentally ill. There's a fine line between 'criminally insane' and 'evil' and personally I would put Brady in the latter category.

Of course we can't know how we'd behave in other people's shoes. What I like to think I'd have done, if I were in the position of Brady's mental health advocate, was to open that letter, read it and if it revealed the location of Keith's body, copy down the relevant info and send it anonymously to the police. I would have assumed that she didn't actually see it and it had stayed with the lawyers, but then that doesn't fit with the police searching her house for it. Agree it shows a worrying tendency on their part.

mellowcat · 17/08/2012 21:12

I do understand that the advocate has to act on behalf of the client and have the utmost admiration for the people who take on this role...it is beyond my own capabilities. I just don't understand how that role is extended to hinting about the possibility of this letter on camera.

JumpingThroughHoops · 17/08/2012 21:13

You can't change laws for one person. That would make a mockery of our judicial system, which must be, and be seen to be clear and transparent for all.

That may or may not be morally right sometimes. But everyone has the right t o a fair trial, without prejudice and the laws of the land apply to them as much as they do to you and I.

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 21:13

If I were his MH advocate I would break all the rules and hand it over to the police. He deserves no privacy.

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EightiesChick · 17/08/2012 21:13

I don't know either how the lawyers can act for him in this respect. I imagine someone has to but if it was me I would do anything possible to avoid taking on such work.

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 21:14

Jumping I know and it makes me angry that he has rights and is using those rights to torment his victim's mother and family.

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lowfatiscrap12 · 17/08/2012 21:15

the content of the letter could be anything. He could be admitting to another murder. Evil man.

QuickLookUsainBolt · 17/08/2012 21:18

The woman involved says she gave the letter back to BradyAngry

She's been arrested for preventing the buriel of a body. I hope they throw the book at her. She's had that letter for several years.

JumpingThroughHoops · 17/08/2012 21:20

The woman involved says she gave the letter back to Brady. She's been arrested for preventing the buriel of a body. I hope they throw the book at her. She's had that letter for several years.

How and why has it now come to light? Who told the press? why?

that is the more pertinent question.

Birdsgottafly · 17/08/2012 21:21

Eighties, you would have to make the decision whether to act, or do nothing, an in between wouldn't be an option.

TheonlyWayisGerard · 17/08/2012 21:21

He doesn't deserve privacy. Or any other right afforded to humans. He's a sick animal. I don't care if he's officially 'criminally insane'. He knows exactly what he's doing. Always has done. It's a sick game to torture poor Keith's mother, just like he tortured those poor children. If there is such a letter, it should be read. Who cares what Brady thinks or feels about it. He doesn't deserve a second thought. He should be buried alive on those moors and left to rot.

JumpingThroughHoops · 17/08/2012 21:22

She's been arrested for preventing the buriel of a body

That's a drummed up charge. No body, no letter, no evidence. If indeed she ever had a letter. She wouldnt know the contents, she doesnt have the letter.

Birdsgottafly · 17/08/2012 21:23

How and why has it now come to light? Who told the press? why?

On the 30th of July a documentary was filmed, she seems to have slipped up.

www.guardian.co.uk ? News ? UK news ? Ian Brady

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KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 21:23

The press are vile too.
Winnie Johnson is in a hospice and may have days or weeks to live. The press have probably been sitting on the story and have wheeled it out in time for a bit of drama at the end of this poor woman's life :( :( :(

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