To think that Ian Brady...

[KittyFane1]

is playing a sick game.
His final victim is Winnie Johnson who is desperate to find her son Keith Bennet on the moors. She has terminal cancer and not long to live.
IB has been on hunger strike for years and wants to move out of the psychiatric hospital.
There is now, or rather, may or may not be a letter revealing where Keith is. Tormenting this woman in her final days.

Would it be unreasonable to tell IB that he can be moved if he stops this sick game, refusing to say where Keith is buried and if he does, not give him what he wants after all?

I shed a tear for Winnie today, living in limbo, never having the chance to say goodbye to her boy properly. I can only hope they are now reunited and this poor lady is free from the horrific pain and suffering that that monster inflicted on her every day since he took her son. At least he can no longer hurt her. If a mass murderer handed me a letter to pass on after his death, I don't care what position I was in I would read it, no one need know if there was nothing worth reading, and if it was important information then I would pass it on. The victims rights should ALWAYS come before those of the criminal, sadly, in this country, that doesn't seem to be the case.

What Brady and Hindley did was horrific.

A family member had contact with Hindley up to her death, and had always said how odd and cold she was. (In a law enforcement way)

I hope the man (if you can call him that) dies in a slow and painful way.

I hope Winnie Johnson can rest in peace, and know that there are people fighting on to find out where her boy is buried.

The Birmingham Six and Guildford Four were guilty beyond doubt.
As was Derek Bentley.

Well said dawndonna.
There is NO evidence that capital punishment is any deterant at at all.
Look at the US....more men and women on death row each year....
All it does is cost money and give work to lawyers, sometimes for years..

Happy, if you believe that the UK should reinstate the death penalty but sentencing guidelines should restrict it to multiple murderers, that could be a consistent change to the justice system.

I wouldn't agree with such a campaign but many do want MPs to debate reintroducing the death penalty.

My brother is a barrister. There are a significant number of mistakes made, each and every year. Most go unreported and those concerned are quietly released to get on with their lives. Each of those would or could be a state sanctioned murder.

I cannot comprehend how a civilised society can contemplate reintroduction of a death sentence.

For someone like IB capital punishment would be playing into his hands anyway- its what he wants.

And to those who say, well it couldn't be a 'humane' method like lethal injection, it would have to be slow painful death by torture... Do you honestly think any civilised society could ever allow that?

There is a big difference between privately feeling that you'd like IB slowly tortured and actually believing it would be good for society to enable it. I can TOTALLY understand that the parent of a murdered child could feel the former; it does not however, follow that it makes it right or even a logical response. There is no evidence capital punishment is in any way a deterrent. It certainly wouldn't have prevented IB from committing his crimes.

Timothy Evans was hanged for murdering his wife and daughter in 1950 except of course that it was his neighbour John Christie, a serial killer, who was the murderer.

He was granted a posthumous pardon in 1966 (so that makes it alright then )

I would have a problem even with the death penalty for multiple murders because someone wrongly convicted of a terrorist bombing, for example, the Birmingham 6, could face the death penalty under that regime.

So would I, Chasz.

Whilst we are in the EU, we cannot have the death penalty and we would never go back to ending the life of those that have Mental Health conditions.

I hope that one day we look back and look upon the' punishment' of those Mental Health Conditions, that contributed to their crimes, as we do now to a time when we hung and imprisoned children.

Chaz I would imagine that the people in your examples protested their innocence. IB has admitted killing these children. He is guilty and therefore there could never be a miscarriage of justice in his case.

Thanks, Birds, I didn't know that about the EU

I would not want to have IB killed in the way you describe happyaschips. Not in my name will I have state sponsored torture then killing of a man, even if he himself has done it to his own victims.

I do not condone capital punishment, I want to live in a civilised society with a democratic system and a judicial system that strives to bring justice.

Winnie was the actual mother who lost her son-and she did not resort to vigilantism or calling for his torture. For a man like IB, society forgetting him and the media ignoring him would be a far greater punishment.

The death penalty is a waste of time as far as prevention goes - if you have the capacity to be a serial killer, I doubt you give a flying fuck if you may die if you get caught.

The problem is, Kitty that in fact there could be. Again, regularly, people 'admit' to crimes they haven't committed.

Kitty
See this article - as Dawn says there are often false confessions.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5005718/Victim-of-Britains-longest-miscarriage-of-justice-apologises-for-false-confession.html

Dawn yes, that's true. But not in IB's case.

Looking through the article Hodgson was one of 5 people who confessed to the murder.

BTW, I don't want him dead because that's what he pretends he wants.

Dawn the key problem how do you distinguish between a genuine confession e.g. IB and a fabricated on like Sean Hodgson.

Precisely my point seashells. If IB were offered a lethal injection tomorrow, he'd love it. Life imprisonment with no chance of parole is far more effective in terms of the punishment aspect.

Once again, a person with different mental health issues could be compelled to admit to crimes he/she didn't commit. The police have regulars that ring up and confess to crimes they've read about. Let alone people who have evidence stacked Up against them and their protests are ignored due to the evidence.

Murder/death penalty/whoops he committed suicide despite being on suicide watch (Fred west/shipman)/oh dear the wing baddie beat him to a pulp in prison (many child molesters) : it is all a very grey area. The ethics are tangled...from my point of view I don't want capital punishment.

Winnie you served a life sentence for a crime you didn't commit may you now rest in peace with your son. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/38781/Haunted-by-Moors-killers.html

Regarding shipman he hung himself so it would be reported on his birthday. That man was also a manipulative bastard.

I wouldn't support torture for punishment or the death penalty

I would definitely support torture of IB to extract information, for the purpose of finding Keiths body, and putting an end to the torture of his mam

Too late now...